Help me pick my next 928

[vdubr928]

I have some extra money to spend and I'm thinking that I was to ditch the 82 us auto and find something in a 32 valve with a 5 speed. I want to pick the right car. will have anywhere between 6-9k to play with. I want to stick with the square tailights. What should I be looking for. I know nothing about the 32v s, s2, s4 ???

Have pleanty of mechanic chops so I don't mind having a small list to do right away.

PS if anyone finds a great deal near Colorado... Post it on this thread

Thanks

[rhjames]

BB79 has his S4 advertised for a quick sale @ $2200.

car is in San Diego.

no info as to condition, specs, etc......

see his post over on the other one-

--Russ

[Danglerb]

Body style changes in 87+, what are you looking to have different?

Manual transmission in all the 32v cars commands a solid premium in price, and are much less common to find, and much sought after.

[vdubr928]

More power..... Potential power....

5 Speed

Maybe a little better condition than mine when I started.

I only paid 1500 for mine so really just wanted a better platform to start from.

[928forlife]

Get the best 928, an 86 Euro S2, if you can find 1 in good condition.

LH euro's are the best. non-interference screamers that sound the best, quickest, are lighter, with the better body shape - the aggressive OB look.

86 5 speed if you like to shift.

Then put some nice wheels on it and clean and polish it. 32 vaive - what for?

[Danglerb]

The only 1986 Euro's I've found in the US have been the low compression less than US hp Euro cat versions. Going by vin only 42 1986 Euros are in the US, including the low power cat versions.

Any nice 85+ 5 spd is going to be hard to find. Double hard at a good price.

[tlsmith1999]

Danglerb,
How can you tell if an 86 euro is the high compression engine or not (beside the option code 151)?

[Normy]

Originally Posted by 928forlife

Get the best 928, an 86 Euro S2, if you can find 1 in good condition.

LH euro's are the best. non-interference screamers that sound the best, quickest, are lighter, with the better body shape - the aggressive OB look.

86 5 speed if you like to shift.

Then put some nice wheels on it and clean and polish it. 32 vaive - what for?

I second this....though there is a question I have to ask: Are you interested in forced induction?

The S2 cars, aka "Euro" cars built from '84 to '86 CANNOT be boosted unless you change the pistons. The compression level is way too high, and the shape of the combustion chamber isn't good. If you keep boost at 5 psi, it will work with proper fueling and intercooling, but 5 psi will get you very little, while costing you [if done right] at least $8000. Since the car, in perfect condition, is probably only worth about $10,000...this is a situation that calls for the remark "If you really want it..."

If you are NOT interested in supercharging a 928, then the bargain of the year is a properly sorted S2. That is HARD to find. I've spent most of the past 10 years coaxing my '85 S2 to run the way it should. These cars in perfect running condition will leave in their dust every other 928, including the GT's and the wide-body GTS cars. I don't drive too hard, but these days I get only about two years from a set of Falken RT-615 tires, which have a very soft compound. That works out to about 5000 miles for a set of tires. These are so soft that many autocrossers use them on their racing cars. I finally! Got my 928 dialed in when I screwed down the screw on the rising-rate fuel pressure regulator that I bought from www.928gt.com last winter, and set the mixture pot on my MAF to the leanest setting I could get away with. Suddenly, I'm leaving two long black streaks on roads around town, and this car is just a hooligan.

-Back in 1999, I was looking for an '85.5 or '86 928, and ran across my current car in an add on Autoweb. He advertised it as an '86, and when I arrived and noticed the "F" in the VIN instead of the "G" that should be there, he told me that it had the '86 brakes, so he felt comfortable advertising it as an '85.

I probably should have walked away right then; He was an idiot. A professor of statistics at Central Florida Community college, he taught idiots and was a failed math student himself. Community colleges hire some brilliant people to teach, but they also hire people who have knowledge and just want to make some extra money. This clown was one of the later. He made a HUGE POINT of telling me this:

"MY MECHANIC WAS TRAINED IN GERMANY"

Ok, that's good and fine. But the best mechanics I have ever known were 22 year old Puerto Rican kids who worked on their own cars during 1997-2005 when I lived in Orlando. I saw them take Japanese Mazda junk and make it turn 11 second quarter miles.

-And they drove these cars on the streets for years!

I personally hope this clown winds up paying his "German trained" mechanic most of his salary. Having worked on this car for over 10 years, I can tell you that his "German-Trained" mechanics must have been retardates. I've solved all the problems that this individual talked about, and I don't have one single second of automotive maintenance training. My training regarding car maintenance? When I was 4, my dad brought me into the garage, and put a roll of paper towels in my hand. I was to hand him one when he asked. I did that for a dozen years.

Listen- if you want a 928 that turns from Doctor Jekyl into Mr. Hyde, then look for an S2. If you want supercharging, or a car that isn't so "peaky", then buy an S4.

I love my 928, but my next 928 will be either a silver GT 5 speed or a silver GTS 5 speed. I will probably supercharge the car a year or so later. I won't own an automatic, unless it is ridiculously inexpensive, and I think I can flip it over. I'm keeping my current car for 2-5 more years.

[vdubr928]

Statistics huh.... Anybody could teach that class.

I am looking to supercharge the car but later. Going to start with Mega Squirt and work from there.

[Dean_Fuller]

If your supercharging then I would stay with a car that has knock sensors.

[928forlife]

Originally Posted by Normy

is probably only worth about $10,000...this is a situation that calls for the remark "If you really want it..."

If you are NOT interested in supercharging a 928, then the bargain of the year is a properly sorted S2. That is HARD to find. I've spent most of the past 10 years coaxing my '85 S2 to run the way it should. These cars in perfect running condition will leave in their dust every other 928,

Mines priceless - meaning I'll never sell it- to me best looking and sounding car out there under 200K.





But an S2 will work fine and silky smooth up to redline with a smile on its face every day without any voodoo.

Normy - (no fault of your own) you had a bastardized LH that some schmuck screwed on import. It took John from england to burn you a new chip that would make it work.


An un-*****ed LH euro is a dream that can be dialed in because it is open looped. In fact, with version 2 of the hammer (whatever it is called) you could probably burn maps into an S2 that would have you changing tires every month.

[Danglerb]

I've got a set of chips in my 85 Euro from John as well, but I had a slightly different cocktail made using Euro fuel maps in a US brain with closed loop O2 ability. Using the o2 sensor means I get perfect A/F at idle and cruise so I can pass smog inspections and get decent gas mileage, WOT is open loop I think on all models. As soon as I get the chance I plan to SharkTune, but I am not expecting a lot more power.

86 had 4 motors, Euro S 16v, US 32v, Euro 32v cat, and I think a 9.3:1 16v for special markets. I'm not sure of an easy way to tell on the 86, since both versions of the 16v were M28/21 and 22.

[928forlife]

Originally Posted by Danglerb

I've got a set of chips in my 85 Euro from John as well, but I had a slightly different cocktail made using Euro fuel maps in a US brain with closed loop O2 ability. Using the o2 sensor means I get perfect A/F at idle and cruise so I can pass smog inspections and get decent gas mileage, WOT is open loop I think on all models. As soon as I get the chance I plan to SharkTune, but I am not expecting a lot more power.

86 had 4 motors, Euro S 16v, US 32v, Euro 32v cat, and I think a 9.3:1 16v for special markets. I'm not sure of an easy way to tell on the 86, since both versions of the 16v were M28/21 and 22.

Well the US and Euro 32V were the same engine and hardly anyone chose that 32v over the 16 v with good reason. The low compression engine was for Switzerland.

I have seen one euro 32V pictured a few years ago that was at a used car dealer in the US. I also saw a nice black 86 euro 16V 5 speed for sale a few years back in the mid-atlantic region and another one a year before that in the mid-west. But they are certainly rare.

According to the registry 42 1986 euros came to US and Canada of which some were 32V so we are talking 30+ 1986 euro's - who knows the mix between auto and 5 speed. BUT THAT IS A RARE BIRD!

Even with just 315 1985 euro's imported and so many being mis-treated and trashed you are in the low 200's now. That makes me appreciate mine even more and the fact that it came with the optional tranny and LSD makes it even rarer. And I like the spare 85 euro engine I have too.

As to sharktuning, I do not see why it can't be improved greatly just as has been done with some other models especially since the LH euro has the best breathing throttle body out there. I think there is a lot of potential. I have done some good work with mine and 2 rrfpr's on stock maps. I see potential.

My open looped 85 euro runs as clean as a whistle due to tuning, extreme maintenance, and 2 high flo SS cats. 5% HC and 0% NOX.

[928forlife]

All the fuss about GTS's and they are nice, but for many reasons including rarity, at least in the US, I say the LH euro is the most desirable. Lighter weight, not an oil burner, silky engine, non-interference, often full leather, the work of art spider intake, the H4 headlights, the cool foglamp, and the better body style.

I have to post this every once in a while

[928forlife]

This is what Porsche should have done, GTS rear quarters on an S2 - the Ultimate 928 body;



And to me still one of the best looking cars ever made at any price

[vdubr928]

So you guys are saying..... Don't look for a 32v?

[928forlife]

If you can find a low mile, garaged/covered, maintained 85/86 LH Euro - BUY It.

[XLR8928]

Does this mean I'm out in left field for wanting an S4 w/a 5 speed?

[Mrmerlin]

Here are some pictures of my 86.5 auto with rear air, it blows cold has a tan/brown interior

[Danglerb]

A lot of the which model should I get is BS, noob stuff, bottom line is that you look and look and look and the first nice 928 you can buy, you buy.