OMG machine bill

[Arizona_928]

I received my machine bill from the bent valves basket case......
It came to just below $900. I'm not sure if i'm being taken for a ride, but here's a list of things done.

$400 valve job on two heads
$280 mill both heads
$215 32 valve guides and $4.50 labor on ea. guide.


One of the heads had a scratch, (PO) that went into the fire ring. so assume you have to machine both? then the valve guides, Some are loose on one, and others are good, but replace them all?


thanks for your guys imput.

[Danglerb]

Use a premium lube, otherwise thats got to hurt.

Actually I would worry much less about the price than the quality of the work.

Also could be you are just paying the Porsche tax.

[MPDano]

Originally Posted by AZ_porschekid

I received my machine bill from the bent valves basket case......
It came to just below $900. I'm not sure if i'm being taken for a ride, but here's a list of things done.

$400 valve job on two heads
$280 mill both heads
$215 32 valve guides and $4.50 labor on ea. guide.


One of the heads had a scratch, (PO) that went into the fire ring. so assume you have to machine both? then the valve guides, Some are loose on one, and others are good, but replace them all?


thanks for your guys imput.

Dang, I'm pretty sure I was quoted less than half that at a local machine shop here in Santee (next to El Cajon). This is when I was looking to fix my original engine. I priced it all up with all the block work needed and said, "No F*&^%ing Way!"

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by MPDano

"No F*&^%ing Way!"

yeah, that's what i'm thinking.
They did request a $400 deposit when i dropped them off, but they are waiting for my OK to continue.
I'm really considering cashing in my deposit, taking the heads, and finding a running engine. 32V or not......


Damn, that has ruined my day.

[MPDano]

Keep the heads there and start calling around. See what other estimates you can get before pulling them out of the shop.

If you can get a lower estimate, at least you'll this as leverage if you want to barter them down. I tried to look for the emails I got from the local machine shop, so I can verify numbers with you, but no luck finding it.

[Normy]

Dude, don't you even worry about that $900 bill. About a year ago, I had no end of trouble keeping the oil filler tube from weeping oil all over the place and making a mess of my oil pan. I got sick of wiping up the oil on the floor [about the size of your palm after a month] of my garage, and...since I couldn't get to it, I took it to a local garage and gave them SPECIFIC instructions as to what I wanted them to do. To make a long story short, an estimated $100 repair turned into three days and $800!

"Well, you've got to understand that that is a special aluminum forging, and forged aluminum pieces like this have to be drilled with special metal inert gas drilling rigs"

5 minutes later, when I finally settled down [I still don't know how I wasn't arrested; I have to admit to you that I became slightly animated; they called the police on me] I was happy to inform them that they were slightly full of digestive waste. More than slightly! I left before the cops could arrest me.

The long and short: I won't use that shop again. I won't post their name on here, because that ..... individual..... and me don't really get along, and I wouldn't put it past him to sue me for something. I'd be more than happy to do it right back!

N!

[928s]

Ask them what clearance the guides are now, the intakes should be OK except if a thin oil was used, guide wear is traced back to thin oils and low ZDDP. If the intake guides are in the 1 thou to 1.5 thou leave them. The exhaust guides O.K at 2 thou maybe 2.5 depending on what you are going to do with the car.

I agree be more worried about the quality of the work, ask what clearance they are going to set the guides too? The skimming is expensive, the rest is O.K. Is the skim to a mirror finish or something special?

[Arizona_928]

yeah, what really bothered me was that the head that was already disassembled he just wiggled a valve for feel, and said they were loose, and had to be replaced. he then added 16 more guides to other head, and the other head wasn't even disassembled!
The intakes had very very little play, and exhaust had some. Anyways i called up the shop, and told them to put them on hold till I call next week.


I'm gonna go talk to the shop on monday about all of clearances. As for the resurfacing, the scratch bearly caught my finger nail. They didn't say how much that they were going to skim it down, but i'm gonna ask.

Porsche tax my a**, this is just sketchy.

[928s]

Take the minimum with the skim, it is normal to skim every head before it goes back on. If the intakes are tight, leave them how they are. The exhaust may be worn as they do wear first and quickest., wrong oils etc.

[ptuomov]

Originally Posted by AZ_porschekid

I received my machine bill from the bent valves basket case...... It came to just below $900. I'm not sure if i'm being taken for a ride, but here's a list of things done.

$400 valve job on two heads
$280 mill both heads
$215 32 valve guides and $4.50 labor on ea. guide.

One of the heads had a scratch, (PO) that went into the fire ring. so assume you have to machine both? then the valve guides, Some are loose on one, and others are good, but replace them all?

Not an expert, just curious:

What kind of valve job? How many angles? Are these with new valves or old ones? I don't think $400 for a good 32v valve job is outrageous. I guess you'd have to flow the heads to know how good the valve job is.

For milling the heads, $140x2 = $280 sounds high. However, what Ra are they shooting for? If they are going smooth, like Ra of 20 microinches, then maybe.

What valve guides did you end up getting? SI? Or Porsche stock? Or are they using liners in the existing guides? $144 for labor for replacing the valve guides is very low, in my opinion and experience.

[rhjames]

16V Euro heads (pair)

5 angle valve grind
new guides
unshroud the valves
mild port and polish
clean up bowls
mill heads (didn't need much, just a cleanup)
port match intakes and exhausts
adjust all valve springs to spec

$1600 out the door.....

--R

[Arizona_928]

Originally Posted by rhjames

16V Euro heads (pair)

5 angle valve grind
new guides
unshroud the valves
mild port and polish
clean up bowls
mill heads (didn't need much, just a cleanup)
port match intakes and exhausts
adjust all valve springs to spec

$1600 out the door.....

--R

ok, your teasing me now.
I'm going to talk to the shop tomorrow after school, and get some anwsers. I'll keep you guys updated...

thanks for helping out. I know i would've pulled a Normy by now.

[bjenkins]

U928 100 940 43 5.0 Engine 85-86 Used
5.0 Engine 85-86 Used
$2,500.00


928 International and I do believe it qualifies for their current 1/2 off used parts sale.

[Arizona_928]

ok, I talked to the machine shop, and now the estimate is 1k+. I do have the that stupid diposit they made me put down, and no work performed on the heads to date. I'm in a sticky situation.


also if anyone has any 85/86 heads without valves or cams please let me know. =]

[Danglerb]

Can you get your heads and money back?

[Fredfox]

I need some exhaust valves for an 85-86 if you get other heads let me know and I will buy some valves from you.

Sounds like they are really stuffing it to you. Did they say if they need to replace any valves? The exhaust are really expensive for those years.

[Danglerb]

Yipes, Pelican shows.
928-105-642-01 Valve Exhaust 16 req, 928 (1985-86) Brand: TRW $189.75

928Intl
928 105 642 01 Exhaust Valve 85-86 $162.99
U928 105 642 01 USED Exhaust Valve 85-86 $25.00

I would jump on some if you need them during the 1/2 price sale (which you have to ask for).

[Arizona_928]

I just went to get the heads. What a f'ing rip off. He charged me $100 to disassemble one head, and check the guides. When he disassembled the other head he pinched two good intake guides, and used what looks like a wire wheel on the bottom of both heads. I called the local police station, and explained my situation. especially the fact that i said not to do any work on the heads, and they said take it up in the courts...

ugh i just checked my account and he didn't credit my account $300, but take it out again..... what a POS.

[MPDano]

Originally Posted by AZ_porschekid

I just went to get the heads. What a f'ing rip off. He charged me $100 to disassemble one head, and check the guides. When he disassembled the other head he pinched two good intake guides, and used what looks like a wire wheel on the bottom of both heads. I called the local police station, and explained my situation. especially the fact that i said not to do any work on the heads, and they said take it up in the courts...

ugh i just checked my account and he didn't credit my account $300, but take it out again..... what a POS.

Yup, take him to Small Claims Court. I got a similar situation with the local bonehead that did a rebuild on my wifes BMW X5 Alternator. Lasted 1 month on a 1 year warranty (written on receipt). I ended up taking it out and back in twice for repair by him. He then said it wasn't his rebuild but my car. I told him that want a refund of the full amount and he refused. I then told him that I will get an Electrical Diagnosis to prove it's the alternator. He said to just give him the $130 Diagnosis Fee and he will fix the problem on my car. What a Joke. Got the BMW Diag and was it was absolutely the alternator. He now doesn't return my calls and is never at his business and his workers are always covering for him. Last week I passed by his business and saw him in the parking lot, so i parked across the street and called his business and asked to talk to him. Once he knew i was calling, he went and hid inside.

I ended up buying a Reman from NAPA and zero problems with charging. Well, it's been almost 2 months and not a peep from the local bonehead. I got all the forms to start the Small Claims suit and I'm gonna have the local Sherrifs/Marshals serve him. Once I win and I most certainly will. I will be sending formal complaints each and every agency on his bad business practices and fraudulent activity.

First try and resolve it out of court. Then make sure you document every date and time of what transacted from the time you dropped off your heads.

[928s]

He is just robbing you, plain and simple unless there is other facts but from minute one I didn't like it and I am not a person who just goes searching for the cheapest jobs. How can he justify $100 for a disassembly unless you excepted a quoted?