Model year question

[Sharkbit]

Hi guys, This is my first post on the forum. I'm not a new 928 guy (928's RULE) but have a question I hope someone can answer. I recently sold my '83S and purchased a 1986S. My question is the following. The VIN is early '86, BUT it has the true dual exhaust and the 4 piston brakes. The car was tourist delivery and remained in Germany until '89. Is this a ROW car? Why would it have 86.5 exhaust and brakes otherwise? The VIN is WP0JB0923GS860069. Thanks.

[riber.bentsen]

My 86 is from March and has true dual exhaust, twin-dizzies, Big Black 4-piston brembos - the lot! S4 suspension as well.

Can't see what the problem is?

[Brett928S2]

Originally Posted by Sharkbit

Hi guys, This is my first post on the forum. I'm not a new 928 guy (928's RULE) but have a question I hope someone can answer. I recently sold my '83S and purchased a 1986S. My question is the following. The VIN is early '86, BUT it has the true dual exhaust and the 4 piston brakes. The car was tourist delivery and remained in Germany until '89. Is this a ROW car? Why would it have 86.5 exhaust and brakes otherwise? The VIN is WP0JB0923GS860069. Thanks.

Hi

As said above, if you have twin dizzies and twin exhausts and S4 suspension and 4 pot calipers, then its NOT an S ..its an S2 (the most powerful of the 16 valve engines) at 310 hp...same as mine, lucky you

All the best Brett

[Danglerb]

Vin search results
92GS860069;WP0JB03;1986;928910;C02/U;M28.43;G28.11;M018M139I158M340M383M387M462M481M4 90M494M533M650M900

Code Option Description
018 Sport steering wheel with elevated hub
139 Seat Heating - Left
158 Radio "Monterey" - 86 "Reno" - 87
340 Seat heating - Right
383 Sport seat - left
387 Sport seat - right
462 Sekuriflex windshield
462 Special model "Weissach" [1982]
481 5 speed manual transmission
490 Hi-Fi sound system
494 2 speakers on back shelf
494 Amplifier system
533 Alarm system
650 Sunroof
900 Tourist delivery
C02 Equipped with catalytic converter

Vin isn't ROW, and its cat equipt, its also NOT a Weissach which was 82 only, so maybe that option decodes to brake upgrades?

[porken]

Strange. That's a low VIN number, too. Maybe tourist delivery got ROW equipment? (All '86 ROW have US '86.5 upgrades.)

Nicely optioned. '86.5 5-speeds are the cream of the crop for the original body style.

All you need now is a decent chip...


PorKen Products


For 5-speeds, I just added an optional dual rev-limit, 'no-lift' shifting to the 'racing' version of the chipset!

[Landseer]

I'd like to see a low, side profile picture of the car.
Which type of jackpoints does it have?

[porken]

Landseer is right. The easy way to tell a true '86.5 from a distance is to check the rear jack point. It is square, and hangs down below the weld seam. Earlier bodies have round jack points which are hidden by the weld seam.

[Landseer]

And guess where I learned THAT? (hint: ^^^^^)

[Brett928S2]

Originally Posted by porken

Landseer is right. The easy way to tell a true '86.5 from a distance is to check the rear jack point. It is square, and hangs down below the weld seam. Earlier bodies have round jack points which are hidden by the weld seam.

Hi


Damn, I didn't know that, just checked my 86 S2 and they are square (or rectangular actually)

Thanks..

All the best Brett

[Sharkbit]

Thank you for all of the information guys.
The jack points are round (86), but I am still wondering why the car would have the 86.5 upgrades when it is an early 86? I'm glad it does have the better brakes and exhaust though. No complaints.
Thanks again.

[Danglerb]

What date is delivery stamped in the warranty book?

Whats the vin stamped in the passenger fender.

Pictures will help this along too.

[porken]

You can retrofit the brakes, and suspension to the earlier body.

You cannot fit a '86.5 (ROW '86) exhaust system, though, the middle mufflers (resonators) are too big. The back seats were raised, fuel lines rerouted, etc. to fit them. It's probably aftermarket, or a modified '88-'90 small resonator system.

[riber.bentsen]

I don't know if March qualifies as an early '86, but mine has square jackpoints, and the rear-most one sticks down a bit, just like on the beautiful white one

[Xlot]

Originally Posted by riber.bentsen

I don't know if March qualifies as an early '86, but mine has square jackpoints, and the rear-most one sticks down a bit, just like on the beautiful white one

Riber, 928's produced for markets other than the USA (including yours) don't have any distinction between early and late '86.

All 1986 928's have S4 brakes, suspension and twin exhaust *except* the first 900 or so made for the US market.

The only '86's with the early style brakes/suspension/exhaust are the North American '86's with VIN serial numbers from 61 to 937. The next production car after 937 was serial 1000, the first of the upgraded 86's for the US market.

So you don't have to worry about your car.. it has all the good bits

[Xlot]

Originally Posted by Brett928S2

Hi

As said above, if you have twin dizzies and twin exhausts and S4 suspension and 4 pot calipers, then its NOT an S ..its an S2 (the most powerful of the 16 valve engines) at 310 hp...same as mine, lucky you

All the best Brett

Brett, you're missing the fact that its a north american car and thus has the 32V engine (nicknamed S3).

Funnily enough, your post prompted me to run a query on the database to determine the split of 86 engines between 32v and 16v..

Production numbers by engine for Model Year 1986
M28.21 488 (16V)
M28.22 1004 (16V)

Total 16V 1492

M28.43 742 (32V)
M28.44 2080 (32V)
M28.45 109 (32V) [standard in Australia/Switzerland, and found on some German cars as a customer selected option]
M28.46 306 (32V)
M 65 (32V) [these are records in the database which don't specify engine type, but are all North American VIN's thus presumed to be 32V]

Total 32V 3237

So actually, in '86, S2's are in the minority, and the superior 32V engine was much more common

(well ok, so I'm kidding about superior.. both types have their merits)

[riber.bentsen]

You learn something every day in here!

And I know it has all the good bits, just didn't know the difference was so big between US and EU cars, body-wise..

[riber.bentsen]

"Production numbers by engine for Model Year 1986
M28.21 488 (16V)
What's the difference?
M28.22 1004 (16V)

Total 16V 1492"

Nice to know if you're one in a 1000 or one in 500, but in either case, much rarer than I thought

And no, 32v are not superior, just different!

[Sharkbit]

Delivery date 12-05-86.
VIN on Fender WP0ZZZ927GS860069 (ROW?) Why would the VIN on the pillar be different? (JBO)
Here are a few pic's. Do not believe brakes or exhaust were added as aftermarket. Bought the car from the 2nd owner and he was more of a polish it and drive once a month guy more than a tech guy.
Thanks

[Xlot]

Originally Posted by riber.bentsen

"Production numbers by engine for Model Year 1986
M28.21 488 (16V)
What's the difference?
M28.22 1004 (16V)

Total 16V 1492"

Nice to know if you're one in a 1000 or one in 500, but in either case, much rarer than I thought

And no, 32v are not superior, just different!

The different engine types are for auto vs. manual. Odd last digit is a manual engine, even numbers are auto.

[porken]

Thanks for the pics! Good looking car.

It must be a recycled factory prototype '86.5 or something. It has all the goodies, including aluminum rear toe arm mounts, but the old style jack points. (IE. if you get Liftbars, you'll need the 'round' style. )