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uBoat Commander 02-14-2014 06:59 PM

If I kill this plow driver, will I get off?
 
Before the numbnuts started, there was a bright red 928 parked here. This is what I saw when I went out this morning.

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I have to find a judge / jury that likes Porsches.

Took me 6 hours to dig it out by hand.

dtw 02-14-2014 07:33 PM

What was he thinking? Have you tracked him down? He trashed your car!

Niles 02-14-2014 07:35 PM

That sucks! Was the snow plow driver a privateer? Why was he plowing up into your driveway? Hope you can get it back on the road especially after all of the work you have been putting into it.

uBoat Commander 02-14-2014 07:44 PM

I share a driveway. He plows for my neighbour, was "trying to be helpful"

I found out who he is, asked him nicely to come & "discuss" it - he was too busy - "maybe tomorrow"

If I don't have a visit from him by noon tomorrow, there will be cops involved.

gbgastowers 02-14-2014 08:00 PM

that aluminum fender shattered like that from the snow plow spray?

AirtekHVAC 02-14-2014 08:28 PM

How did he not see the car??? WTF?

Crumpler 02-15-2014 05:05 AM

uBoat, I'm very sorry.
That's almost too much to look at, I got mad for you.

A lot of the guys around here are privateers. Every jack-ass with a pick-up, puts a plow on his truck in an attempt to get some extra money.
My point would be that I doubt that most of these guys carry the insurance they should have to perform these services, etc. Then you might get into dealing with the neighbor who "employed" the contractor -- it has the potential to be a real mess. So I would call the police, at least to have a accident report on file.

Hang in there.

Danglerb 02-15-2014 07:31 AM

This is your parts car right?

gbgastowers 02-15-2014 07:35 AM

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This is your parts car right?
I think it is but he mentioned in the past it had a straight body

Gonzotiki_666 02-15-2014 09:48 AM

Ugh! That sucks. Mr Plow needs to cough you up some dough big time.

uBoat Commander 02-15-2014 02:31 PM

Guy cut me a check for $1500.

He's 75, Unemployed, uninsured, and plows driveways for all the churches around here for free.

In the end, I just was not able to put the screws to him.

gbgastowers 02-15-2014 04:00 PM

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Guy cut me a check for $1500.<br>
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He's 75, Unemployed, uninsured, and plows driveways for all the churches around here for free.<br>
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In the end, I just was not able to put the screws to him.
Sounds like you handled it wisely

Crumpler 02-15-2014 04:18 PM

Admirable, but maybe the 75 year old should retire from the plow business before he hurts someone.

Pete R 02-15-2014 04:33 PM

It looks like he was backing up with the plow high and took out the fender. Your wheel seems ok. He then probably buried it because the was probably drunk. By the time you noticed it he would be sober. just my theory

uBoat Commander 02-15-2014 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete R (Post 7913434)
It looks like he was backing up with the plow high and took out the fender. Your wheel seems ok. He then probably buried it because the was probably drunk. By the time you noticed it he would be sober. just my theory

You are 100% correct. He pushed the snow up on top, let down the plow on top of the car, then backed off. I still have not found the rest of the fender.

It was 2am when he did it, and when I met him today he reeked of booze.

Says he has been plowing 30 years - you can tell when someone knows what they are doing with a plow, and this guy just didn't have it.

I spoke with the police prior to his visit, they said they would get him for a hit & run if I wanted. I just could not be the guy to completely destroy the old man's life over a fender.

Danglerb 02-15-2014 06:47 PM

Best price I've seen so far for used fender, congrats.

Fixer 02-15-2014 08:41 PM

Wow, that's one for the books uboat commander.

About 6 years ago I was leaving work late at night and was hit by a couple
of 20 something Drunks but they were in a 951 and i a pickup.

I felt bad for them they seemed nice but were a little tipsy.
So I let them hide in the house i was renovating.
The 951 caught fire and about 5 minutes later
we heard it explode and police cars show up.

I told them i wouldn't turn them in, i just wanted a new bumper.
They both agreed to buy me one.
(They caught the end of my bumper as they swerved) and hit a cast iron
road sign and medium sized tree. They were really moving.

Anyway like you, I didn't want to see them arrested and took them home in my truck
once the coast was clear.

The next day they both tried to sue me saying their necks were sprained.

Danglerb 02-15-2014 10:44 PM

Lots of times facing the consequences of their actions is much better for a person than getting away with it.

uBoat Commander 02-16-2014 08:06 AM

That is an amazingly easy reaction to have. Heck, look at the title of my OP - I wanted to kill the guy & get away with it.

Tell me how you feel when you have a 75 year old guy tell you his life story, how he is an unemployed mechanic because of RA, when he is standing three feet in front of you and he takes his hat in his hands as he asks for forgiveness, while at the same time handing you a check drawn from one of the churches he works at.

matt f 02-16-2014 08:23 AM

uBoat, IMO, you did the right thing.
Very kind and compassionate.

Matt

Pete R 02-16-2014 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by uBoat Commander (Post 7914285)
That is an amazingly easy reaction to have. Heck, look at the title of my OP - I wanted to kill the guy & get away with it.

Tell me how you feel when you have a 75 year old guy tell you his life story, how he is an unemployed mechanic because of RA, when he is standing three feet in front of you and he takes his hat in his hands as he asks for forgiveness, while at the same time handing you a check drawn from one of the churches he works at.

That's the problem', every drunk has a sob story, it's the reason and result of being a drunk. Next week when he kills someone's little kid they'll ask "why was he driving?". There a many things I can forgive...dwi, is not one of them, I would have taken a different path.

uBoat Commander 02-16-2014 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete R (Post 7914819)
That's the problem', every drunk has a sob story, it's the reason and result of being a drunk. Next week when he kills someone's little kid they'll ask "why was he driving?". There a many things I can forgive...dwi, is not one of them, I would have taken a different path.

If you were a friend of Bob & Bill, you would perhaps have a different viewpoint.

There is a wild difference between a 19 year old kid doing beer bongs all night and wrecking his car, and an alcoholic.

Fogey1 02-16-2014 03:39 PM

Not a friend of B&B, but I take your point.

What I do tend to believe is that karma works both ways, not always but some times. And I KNOW there have been, and probably will be again, times when I was in desperate need of forgiveness and got it.

Fixer 02-16-2014 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Danglerb (Post 7913839)
Lots of times facing the consequences of their actions is much better for a person than getting away with it.

That's what my Wife said when i finally got home.

Dumb I know..The driver was so upset about his 951 though.



I have to say this whole thing would have Columbo really scratching his head.:confused:

Pete R 02-16-2014 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by uBoat Commander (Post 7914862)
If you were a friend of Bob & Bill, you would perhaps have a different viewpoint.

There is a wild difference between a 19 year old kid doing beer bongs all night and wrecking his car, and an alcoholic.

Not to the person and the families they wreck.

uBoat Commander 02-16-2014 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete R (Post 7915078)
Not to the person and the families they wreck.

I wish for you, then, to someday be blessed with enlightenment. Life is not black & white, it almost never is.

Pete R 02-16-2014 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by uBoat Commander (Post 7915087)
I wish for you, then, to someday be blessed with enlightenment. Life is not black & white, it almost never is.

It has nothing to do with enlightenment, the guy seems to need help and your doing him no favors by enabling him. Hey, be his buddy, get him help, do what you should, but get him off the road. To allow someone to habitually drink and drive is irresponsible. You know what usually stops people like him? a head on crash... you'd would be saving his like as well.

mixybro4 02-16-2014 08:30 PM

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<div style="font-style:italic">I wish for you, then, to someday be blessed with enlightenment. Life is not black &amp; white, it almost never is.</div>
</div>It has nothing to do with enlightenment, the guy seems to need help and your doing him no favors by enabling him. Hey, be his buddy, get him help, do what you should, but get him off the road. To allow someone to habitually drink and drive is irresponsible. You know what usually stops people like him? a head on crash... you'd would be saving his like as well.
I'm going to have to side with you on this one Pete. He sure as hell shouldn't be driving.

Crumpler 02-17-2014 07:34 AM

Pete, you are dead on as usual.

But, Uboat is not the one responsible for getting this guy help, or off the road.
I would question the church for enabling this smuck, if my understanding that they cut the check is accurate.

Even if Uboat had wanted to teach this guy a lesson, and even if the police might have pursued it -- the district attorney would not have prosecuted.
Ask me how I know.

curtisr 02-17-2014 06:32 PM

Where are the itty-bitty red bits?

Fixer 02-18-2014 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crumpler (Post 7915775)
Pete, you are dead on as usual.

But, Uboat is not the one responsible for getting this guy help, or off the road.
I would question the church for enabling this smuck, if my understanding that they cut the check is accurate.

Even if Uboat had wanted to teach this guy a lesson, and even if the police might have pursued it -- the district attorney would not have prosecuted.
Ask me how I know.

You had a plow business? :D

Now that this has been settled, who has seen a Yeti or been probed by Aliens? LOL.

Crumpler 02-18-2014 06:11 PM

Ha!

This is getting way, way off topic. The ugly reality is that prosecutors are so overwhelmed, that even felony crimes are not often prosecuted aggressively unless they are violent crimes or drug related.

I have tried to prosecute two people over the years. Both clients that committed fraud.
One was a slam dunk felony arrest and it still got dismissed.

I think Mr. Plow would have been very low priority for the cops, with a recommendation to pursue it as a civil matter. Just sayin.

Tilikum Turbo 02-18-2014 08:30 PM

I think the guy was sorry alright...SORRY that you found out it was him who f--cked your car!!

Not for a second do I believe that was an "accident"...he tried to run from what he did.

Make SURE you report his no-insurance azz to the Police and get him OFF the road.

XLR8928 02-20-2014 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by The Fixer (Post 7918568)
You had a plow business? :D

Now that this has been settled, who has seen a Yeti or been probed by Aliens? LOL.

I assure you... there are no aliens, no probings, and lastly, Obamacare, all other such programs are wonderful ideas!:D

curtisr 02-21-2014 02:48 PM

Still not seeing any itty-bitty fender bits...


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