dyno run video with open dump wg
 

here's the long awaited video, you can hear the wg dump open at around 33seconds;
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6894483714065185431

http://gallery.silentmedia.com/d/58570-2/IMG_1929-2.jpg

i couldnt hear it

33-34 second time mark. you can clearly hear a change in the exhaust tone.

What are the benefits of an open waste gate dump apart from the sound? Is it just the reduced weight or are there some extra HP to be gained?

no real benefit, just easier when installing an aftermarket tial wastegate. :)

Reminds of the "screamer pipes" :)
Sox

i also have a straight pipe that i can swap the muffler for. now that's loud. :)

you up late...
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working on the car and such.

My 930 dumps straight to atmosphere but I had that done at the same time as some other mods so I couldn't tell whether it made any difference.
Still sunny over here!

Ok remember the tequila goes into your mouth and is not to be used for cleaning parts or as a ignition helper :)
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Darkhorse where you at I go the Oz all the time was in Melbourne 3 weeks ago. I like Sydney a lot better.
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I've been in Melbourne for 2.5 years. I like Sydney better also!

Yah I have to go to Craigiburn on and off Oh joy :)
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what kind of numbers did you end up with? At what boost levels?

Not the most picturesque part of Australia. Next time you're over hire a car and drive the Great Ocean Road or head for the Yarra valley around Marysville/Healsville. Great roads in a P-car.

Yarra valley produces some of my fav wines.
good nite Sox

there is typicaly a 3-7hp gain from the lack of additional pressure being generated in the exhaust by dumping it back into the exhaust stream from the turbo.

a vent to atmosphere is prefered on high boost cars and is noticed while in it or while driving next to it.

what are you basing this on? do you have data?

i have before/after dynos and it shows absolutely no difference.

several other 951 owners i know who are dumping to atmosphere also have seen zero difference in power.

It sounds good, I will keep that option open in the future. Thanks for sharing.

its late, so i might have misspelled some of the words below. I might edit later.

Im refering to other cars. the 951 taps the WG back into the exhaust after the cat, so in essance, the backpressure that would have been increased in other cars, such as a turbo eclipse, EVO, Subaru, and most other japanese cars, is not a problem.

when upgrading to a 3" - 4" exhaust the 951 further decreases backpressure and a WG vented back into the system does not make much of a difference. I do not have any data on the difference in a 951, but alot of data on other car designs.

the best systems have a few inches of pipe after the turbo and imediatly vent to atmosphere. you do need back pressure in the exhaust system, fortunatly with a turbocharger in place all of the back pressure that is needed by the engine is supplied by the turbo it self. any and all back pressure post-turbo will degrade the spool up characteristics, and increase high RPM boost bleed off.


My 98 eclipse GSX gained a solid 8hp from venting to atmosphere. But if you look at the exhaust headder design there is only 10" of pipe from the exhaust port to the turbo. after the turbo most external WG's on these types of cars dump right back into the exhaust pipe within 8ish" after the turbo. this section, the down pipe, has the highest level of backpressure post-turbo out of the entire system. when you dump the WG pressure back into this section the turbo does not flow as much air at higher RPM's, which is typicaly part of the boost fade problem, bleed off.

porsche engineers designed the 951 exhaust right the first time. :)

Nize, where did you buy a Tial Wastegate and the dump pipe like that? I saw a few on eBay but I shied away due to the cost of the adapters to use the stock exhaust set up. Is it similar to the Lindsey Dual Port Wastegate with manual boost control? I have always tooled with the idea of atmospheric dump from the wastegate.

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the dump pipe is the stock pipe which was cut and rotated 90-degrees.

Are the adapter plates needed with the set up you are running?

no, because i am using the tial 46mm.

Ok, thank you. Im going to run the same set up. Does it use a manual boost controller?

it's electronic, controlled directly by the EMS;
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-944-turbo-turbo-s/479564-wolf3d-v500-review.html