FYI - Scammer Alert on Rennlist

[Ryanm6100]

Hey guys just wanted to get the word out about a scumbag that tried to scam some folks on eBay after posting all that was wrong about his 944 Turbo on Rennlist..

Here is a link to the thread:

http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/showthread.php?t=455506

Here is an example of one of his posts:

Originally Posted by MrPorsche951 at 09-09-2008, 06:16 PM
My z4 3.0si is paid in full for the next year and a half. I did a pre-paid lease. Depending on the condition of the car at the end of my term, I might buy it out over another 2 years. (24 payments)

The 951 sell, not bad figuring I bought the car for 6,000 and paid 700 to get it shipped. Put no cash what so ever in it, beat the living piss out of it and just sold it for almost double. I got shipping half price beacuse the mileage discreprency (60 miles were put on the car)

The car was flawed top to bottom, the only thing good was that the outside was Absolutley Perfect. New Paint and rims...

The P.O.S. wouldn't boost, I'd put my foot to the floor untill 5k RPM, I'd smell burning oil and then downshift for fun. I took it in to a friend who runs a 930-993 911 shop and he said "Oh man, this thing is a wreck."

So I drove it civilized... and sold the Leaky, Smoking, Non Boosting car for double what I paid for it. I remember pouring about an ounce of oil out of the intake when I removed it.


But! The current owner loves the car. he left me an email today saying how much he and his wife like the Porsche. I'm buying a 1998 XJ8L with the money.. 39,000 miles on it, in perfect condition, and a 12 month warrenty... just another winter beater with 300hp. Almost faster than the Z4.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Porsche-944-Turbo-Absolute-Perfection-944-Turbo-No-Reserve_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ39Q3a1Q7c66Q3a 2Q7c65Q3a7Q7c240Q3a1318QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14Q QhashZitem130256121612QQitemZ130256121612

And he has removed the listing several times after we had pointed out his lies and scams. Here is some more information on him posted by another Rennlister as well:

This is the link to the internet fraud complaint center:
http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx

This is the link to auto trader fraud center:
fraudwatch@autotrader.com

This is the email address of the Office of the Inspector General of the SEC:
www.reportlineweb.com/sec_oig/

This is the NY license plate # of the alleged attempted fraudsters car: EFG-4591 as published on Autotrader and in other public places by the alleged attempted fraudster himself...

Linking the license photo from the Autotrader ad to the license photo from eBay and others would tie them together as being from the same person. The "white inserts" lettering is evident in the photos as further linkage, etc., etc. Gather all of these links...

The "MrAllegedAttemptedFraudster951" avitar photo includes a photo of the car and himself. Can't remember if the plate was visible, but it sure looks like the car in the ads and his registration was from Youngstown NY. We'd need copies of that...

In the YouTube video, the guy looks the same, the car looks the same. Not sure about identification, but I'd bet we could pull some from the video posting IP address, etc. We need the video as an offline link so he can't block it...

The guy's phone number is 716-550-0421 as published in AutoTrader by Mr.Tool himself...

I do not have all the info or the time, but if someone gathered the material from the list above and used the original "bye" posting as a basis for "alleging" fraud, we could then submit that to all the appropriate agencies with no ramifications.

IMO he is an "alleged" "attempted fraudster" until proven guilty. There is strong evidence, written in his own hand and posted by himself to a public forum, of his own volition, which would lead any reasonable person to question the contents of his simultanious and subsequent "for sale" advertisements in other public forums, all of which are contradictory to his boasting in the "bye" postings. Furthermore, some of the material information in the sale ads contain misleading and or outright false information.

So, IMO this would be attempted fraud as he has not actually sold the car, to the best of our knowledge. Since fraud prevention is the point, I think we are well within our rights to gahter information and let authorities decide, as long as we do not actually slander or lible MrTool. (That means we can't make up stuff about the guy and publish or procalim it as a fact. Calling him names is not nice, but it is neither slanderious or libleious. I would urge all to be careful in making claims as fact that might not be true. Calling him a "douchebag" is not a statement of fact, simply a personal opinion based on the information at hand. :-)

Would someone please gather the various postings concerning points, like 1) "Big Red" brakes not fitting under the Phone Dials -- "so therefore they could not be Big Reds your honor" -- etc. (which is correct BTW, I have them on my '86 and sold the spare 'cause it wouldn't fit over the calipers anymore) and the other items that seem to be outright lies; put that on one sheet. Then 2) gather the various postings relating to the "bye" email. This would help show intent to defraud. Then 3) as much info from i) the eBay ad with photos ii) the Autotrader ad with photos; and, iii) the various responses to questions etc. And, any other info that the members think would be helpful.

For now, just gather it and PM me that you have a stack of it in one place. DO NOT POST IT HERE.

Once gathered we can quickly write a cover letter and then submit our allegations either as a group or under pettition, or individually en masse. All submitting the same material. I'll follow up on this later...

Or, with the information at hand everyone can simply go to town at will!

I'm doing some research on the SEC link to be sure that it is within our rights to alert the SEC that a suspected fraudster was trying to get his Series 7 and work on Wall Street. Some brokerage houses might just see that as a badge of honor...

[Spoolin51]

Jerk alert !

[CPR]

+1 ^^^^^

[nize]

is there any way to contact the new owner to warn them? that might be a good thing to do.

[jmj996]

It was important to raise the issue, but now, can we please not talk about this anymore? This topic has completely overtaken the Rennlist 944 turbo forum and it's getting old. All I've been saying for the last week when I check the forums is "not another NY scammer thread"...Ugggh. I don't know the guy, but I don't like him and I don't know of any way to prevent him from selling it so I think we're beating a dead horse. I bet he sells it to an auction house or through some third party where it won't hit the Internet. Or maybe it will mysteriously catch fire and turn into an insurance claim...

[nize]

since it's impossible to prevent the sale, i think the best thing to do is let it sell and then contact the new owner and have them press fraud charges.

[Spoolin51]

Good idea Nize

[333pg333]

Well as much as it gets a bit boring, if you spread the word and it reduces your market due to the 'Village' atmosphere around a small production car, then at least you feel like you may have saved some poor guy/girl from buying into a train wreck...