What I'm saying is that the only way to properly run a MAF is by changing the code that reads the sensor... Anything else is a hack. Not that it won't work - but it isn't perfect.

So it is your recommendation to me (after I get the car running again), that I use your "base" code, instead of the APE MAF code? I understand that, at least I can make changes to the code that you have provided, whereas it would cause errors in the program, if I tried to use the XDF file that you provided, to alter the APE code. But other than data being moved around in the APE bin, there is nothing special about it?

Yes. If you want to use the DIY, then use the base code that is provided in the package.
Trying to use the APE code won't work correctly, and you risk damaging your engine.

OK, will do. As for the KLR code, which I know isn't nearly as important, except for the engine saving capability that is crippled when boost is raised, I know you are working on it. I have some info that may or may not help.

For the knock-off weltie AFM chip set that I got off the bay, it appears that the code on the KLR chip is stock. After running an FC command on it against the stock one, they matched up perfectly. But when I ran the APE MAF KLR chip against the stock one, there were a few differences, but not all that many. I don't remember exactly, but only about 30 lines or so of the code differed between them. Do you have any idea, at this point, what those differences would be? I know that to read out the maps and create an xdf file for it, you need to dis-assemble it. Would it be of any help, if I sent you that bin?

You can send me the .bin - I'll compare it to the APE KLR .bin I've got... Most likely the differences are just in the "maps" not the actual code. The normal Welt KLR chip changes the target boost map, so the engine gets a slight bit more boost and quicker spool than stock.

I'll send it then. I assume that the one that you have is the APE AFM KLR bin, as opposed to the MAF one that I have.

As far as the "normal" welt chip (KLR) goes, I doesn't surprise me that the KLR chip differs from stock (the stock S and non-S KLR chips must be the same, right?). I don't like to dis anybody's gig, but the guy, or outfit, or whatever you want to call it, that goes by the initials IA on ebay, that sold me the K-off weltie chipset, did NOT send me a weltie KLR then. They sent me a (copy of a) stock KLR chip. And (people should consider this a heads-up), to make matters worse, they first sent me a pair of chips that did NOT say (on the sticker) that they were for an S, even though I paid double the price that they had listed for a non-S, to get the S set. After complaining about that, they DID send me a set that had stickers on them showing an S.

But here is where the problem comes in. I don't use them anymore because not long after I got them, I converted to the APE MAF setup. But anyways, after recently buying a chip reader/programmer, I ran a comparison between the S and non-S set of weltie K-offs that they had sent me, and there was NO difference between them. That means that either (both times) they sent me non-S chips, while charging me the (double) S price, or they did send me S chips, but in being that they were weltie based, they failed to state that I needed to use a 3-bar FPR with them.

Hey Rogue, would you be able to tell me if the bin of that chip that I had sent you previously, is S, or non-S?

There is no real difference between the S and non-S chips... I took a second look at the .bin, and they used a Welt base, but then added even more timing and enleaned the AFR - not a good combination!

Thank you for the hard work and sharing it.

I have a couple of questions,

You are running a true MAF/MAP code on your car. Are you willing to share that knowledge in the future or is that a definite no ? A few pages back you indicated no but also mentioned more things are coming.

In essence are we stuck with a piggyback if using a MAF with your Tunerpro release ?

Yes. Hang in there.
I'm not ready to answer your questions yet.

I haven't gotten that KLR bin out yet, but I'll try to get it out today (I need to use a different computer, plus I'm currently somewhat busy - had to make a run to Elmira, NY yesterday).

Is it possible (seems to make a whole lot of sense) that the enleaned bin IS the S code from welt, which is WHY it is intended to be used with a 3 bar FPR? Their claim-to-fame, back in the day, was that their S package (consisting of chips and a 3 bar FPR) topped any other S chip set out there, by 15HP. The retail price for it was a whopping 500 bucks, while their other chips ran like 300. As far as I'm aware, APE was their only competitor at the time though, but I don't know that for sure.

This would indicate that IA did, in fact, send me the correct set the first time, but simply forgot to write "S" on the stickers. But then, they also forgot to inform me (or maybe they don't even know) that one needs to use the 3bar FPR, to safely run it.

I got both sets for sale, if any takers out there. But I will tell you what they failed to tell me - you NEED to go 3bar with it. But then, you will also have 15HP more, than the APE chips give you.

Yeah, but they enleaned it even more then the Welt base, which was already enleaned for use with a 3bar FPR...
For a stock turbo car, with a piggy-back to tune, the IA chip will probably be "ok", but I wouldn't personally run it.

Thanks.
I just want to make sure that you do not get the impression that I am trying to pressure you for a release of your intellectual property.

Any news or updates ?

No news... but news is coming soon :)

Any progress on the KLR xdf? I know it isn't possible to lower the amount of boost cut when it goes into boost cut mode, but it should be possible to change parameters such as how many knocks per given interval of time that it will take to invoke each of the 3 stages of protection, as well as the amount of timing retard to invoke with the 1st and 2nd stages of protection. If IIRC, the 1st stage is 3 degrees timing retard, and the second stage is 6 degrees. It would seem that going say, 5 and 10 degrees (or possibly 12) on the first 2 stages, would provide a higher level of protection, if the 3rd stage needs to kick in. Do you agree?

That is a pretty good thought...
I will be digging into the KLR next month. So haven't made any real progress on it yet (besides identifying the maps).


-Rogue

Can the Vitesse Maf / chipboard (not V - flex) manipulated in terms of fuel/ ignition tables with the Tunerpro ?

sektor, no the DIY and TunerPro does not work with the Vitesse MAF/Chipboard.

What is it you are wanting to accomplish?

Rogue ,I am trying to get the benefit of the Vitesse true MAF and customize a file tailored to my set up.

I could use the Lindsey MAF and write my settings with the Tunerpro, that should work AFAIK but it would only convert the signal and it is the inferior approach.

Thanks

Sent you a PM.