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wild man 11-21-2010 06:07 AM

Is there really 2 knock sensors?
 
I just noticed that PP lists these ( 944-606-145-00-M14) as 2 being required per car. I only ever noticed one on my 89 turbo - under the intake, near the ISV. Where is the other one located?

Rogue_Ant 11-21-2010 06:49 PM

There is only one knock sensor on the 951, regardless of year.

Bonestock951S 11-21-2010 10:29 PM

I believe the second knock sensor was used on 3L cars (but don't quote me).

wild man 11-22-2010 03:55 AM

Pelican Parts - Product Information: 944-606-145-00-M14

They seem pretty adamant about the turbo having 2 of them That's why I asked. But it now appears obvious that it IS a mistake.

nize 11-22-2010 09:44 AM

there is a spot next to the single factory knock sensor to accommodate a second knock sensor, but it's taken up by the factory ISV bracket (i think, will have to double check). i'm actually planning to relocate the ISV bracket, and install a second knock sensor just as a failsafe. :)

wild man 11-22-2010 06:28 PM

That doesn't sound like a bad idea. Is there a connector for the 2nd one?

Rogue_Ant 11-22-2010 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nize (Post 5686932)
there is a spot next to the single factory knock sensor to accommodate a second knock sensor, but it's taken up by the factory ISV bracket (i think, will have to double check).

Yes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wild man (Post 5688063)
That doesn't sound like a bad idea. Is there a connector for the 2nd one?

Not on the factory harness.

wild man 11-23-2010 05:07 AM

If commencing such a mod, would you just wire it in parallel with the other one? Wouldn't that throw the sensitivity off? Or does it it need a separate line to the DME? If so, will the DME be able to read it without modification of the firmware?

Rogue_Ant 11-23-2010 02:03 PM

The DME does not monitor knock, rather the KLR does.

Adding a second knock sensor is not an option for the DME/KLR... nize is running a stand-alone engine management setup, so what he does is not a point of reference for anyone running the DME/KLR.

wild man 11-23-2010 03:59 PM

How does the S2/968 handle the 2nd one then?

Rogue_Ant 11-23-2010 04:03 PM

Completely different DME.

wild man 11-23-2010 05:22 PM

I c.

Rogue_Ant 11-27-2010 01:52 AM

Furthermore, on an inline-4 cylinder I don't see much of a point to adding a second knock sensor... There are only two ignition events per revolution, with good separation, so one knock sensor, placed reasonably, should be quite sufficient at picking up knock.

Adding a second knock sensor, especially so close to the first is only good for a redundancy-type of setup - in which one knock sensor fails (highly uncommon).

nize 11-29-2010 11:15 AM

i'm installing the second one for redundancy, in case the first sensor fails.

wild man 11-30-2010 04:31 AM

Since I am using stock engine management hardware , I have no choice but to stick with a single one. That's fine though.


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