993 widebody?

[wurls]

I'd like to hear from anyone that has owned or currently owns a 993 widebody.
I know the widebody was offered in the C4S model, but was it ever offered in the C4 model?
I've heard that there might be issues with the all wheel drive system on the C4. Any ownership info would be greatly appreciated, as I am considering chasing a 993 widebody instead of a 930 or 965.

Cheers guys!

[Don Plumley]

A C4S has the wider rear flares (widebody) along with bigger brakes. A C4 does not.
A C2S has the wider rear flares (widebody) but standard calipers. A standard 992 (C2) does not.

The AWD in the 993 is generally very robust, and much more so than the prior generation.

[computamedic]

The wide body was not "offered" on the C4S - it IS the C4S. The wide body was one of the distinguishing factors of the "S" cars - the C4S and the Carrera S (it wasn't called a C2S).

There never was such as product as the 993 C4 with a wide body.

Regards

Dave

[wurls]

Originally Posted by computamedic

The wide body was not "offered" on the C4S - it IS the C4S. The wide body was one of the distinguishing factors of the "S" cars - the C4S and the Carrera S (it wasn't called a C2S).

There never was such as product as the 993 C4 with a wide body.

Regards

Dave

Dave, thank you for your reply and helping me to figure this one out.
Now that I know that the "S" in the series designation has a wide body, is that wide body the same as the turbo body? Yet another head scratcher for me! LOL!
Thanks!

[32Flat6]

The wide body on the S models is the same body as on the 993 Turbo. A 993 C4S is basically the turbo model without the turbos.

[cgfen]

Originally Posted by wurls

I've heard that there might be issues with the all wheel drive system on the C4.


Cheers guys!

very few if any maintenance issues with 993 AWD system
many potential maintenance issues with the 964 AWD system

[Harlan Chinn]

Porsche for model years 1996 and 1997 saw a slump in cars sales. In order to boost sales and interest in the 993 line, they decided to produce the CarreraS and Carrera4S models using what was seen as a surplus inventory of Turbo widebodies and chassis. These models were all NA engined and the standard Carrera brakes except for the C4S which received the "Big Red" brakes. These two models are distinguished on the outside by the unique split grille on the CarreraS painted to match, while the C4S had the standard black grille. The CarreraS and Carrera4S were imported and sold in North America in 1997 and 1998 and were the last of the "Air-cooled" cars produced. Because of their limited numbers, reasonably priced, good examples are becoming more and more difficult to find.

[Bill Verburg]

and then there is the real 993 widebody, aka GT2

[computamedic]

Originally Posted by cgfen

very few if any maintenance issues with 993 AWD system
many potential maintenance issues with the 964 AWD system

The only real issue with the 964 AWD system was that it was very expensive for Porsche to build - hence the replacement in the 993 with the much cheaper viscous coupled system.

There are no maintenance issues with either system - both are very robust.

Regards

Dave

[Stealth 993]

993's AWD system is bomb proof. The only thing you need to do is change the front diffs oil. It's less then 1qt.

The downside to the AWD system is a little added weight, & you can't add a short shift kit with out some modifications, due to the torque tube. But the car is more confidant & planted, & almost impossible to spin. You plat it, then floor it, it goes. I must say it's OK in the snow as well.

WB 993's cost more, & will hold their value better then a NB car.

[Magdaddy]

is the C4S, than a NB C4?

Is there a side by side comparison,. picture...somewhere?

I never realized that the NB 993 had such a pronounced flair at the rear. I may decide on a NB 993C4 instead of the much more rare, and more expensive C4S. It would be very nice to see the actual difference.

[Stealth 993]

It's a couple of inches. Most C4S also have a few options, it's hard to find a stripped out one. But my C4 also has a TON of options.

You can tell a NB C4 by the silver calipers.

C4S




95 C4

[aigel]

Here my C2 (red calipers )

[Harlan Chinn]

Here are a couple of pics of narrow body up front and a widebody. The difference is where the tip of the tail light touches the bumper distance out to the outer edge of the rear wheel well. The difference is about 1.5" wider on either side.

[aigel]

I am wondering - do th4 993 folks modify their NB cars to WB (i.e. when the chance arises during a repaint or accident repair)? That sure seems like an easy enough modification while enhancing the car. Are there stock flares available or would they be junkyard items?

George

[Harlan Chinn]

Some narrow body 993s have been used as donors in creating 993 RSR replicas as seen on several recent Rennlist treads. Documented and done well by a specialized body shop will assure the car retain a higher resale value. A converted wide body car will never be worth as much as a factory wide body may it be a vintage 911 or 993 platform.

[brucechas]

Just a quick question without trying to be redundent...am I correct that the earliest widebody would be 1997?

Thanking you in advance,

Bruce

[Magdaddy]

96, 97, and 98. There appears to be many more C4S's built than narrow body C4 coupes's in the 993 line.

I saw build numbers somewhere, 993 registry I think. There were far more C4 cab's and C4 targa's than coupes in NB C4's.

There certainly seems to be NO shortage of availability of high quality high dollar C4S's. I've probably found 15-20 available over the last few nights. Price range's have been $39K-$49K, mileage from low teens to 70K.

I've been researching option codes, color's, and trying to determine if there is a different level of standard equiptment between years. Also been looking at other aftermarket goodies for the cars.

I gotta pace myself, I really didn't intend to buy for another year. Ooh well, maybe the earlier the better. Afterall, the price of wide body "Turbo Look" 911's from model years 84-89 have started to escalate the last handful of years. Five to ten years ago, you could get a beautiful example for under $20K, now you need $30K. It would be just my luck that my latest Porsche passion go's thru the value roof too-before I buy usually too!

[Paul K]

FWIW, I think the best part of the wide-bodied cars and turbos is the front bumper. Way nicer looking than the stock bumper. And the best part is, the turbo bumper can be fitted to a non-turb bodied car, as the front fenders are the same width.

[autobonrun]

Originally Posted by aigel

I am wondering - do th4 993 folks modify their NB cars to WB (i.e. when the chance arises during a repaint or accident repair)? That sure seems like an easy enough modification while enhancing the car. Are there stock flares available or would they be junkyard items?

George

I'm sure some may, but I personally haven't heard of many that do this to 993's. My gut feel is the majority would sell their NB and buy either a 2S or a 4S to get not only the different width but the turbo front bumper as well.

I guess with a major accident involving a NB, all bets would be off and someone might just go with the wide body look. Harlan is absolutely correct however about some NB 993's being used as donors for RSR project cars.

Personally, I'd stay as close to stock as I could whether it be NB or WB just to keep the resale value.

As far as the AWD systm, no issues whatsoever with my 96 C4S.