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whatudrivin 01-06-2012 12:07 PM

I am in on this one. I cant wait to see some more updates and pictures. Amazing work indeed.

67dubcab 02-06-2012 10:13 PM

porsche powered mid-engine double cab
 
Thanks.
Here are some shots of the custom oil tank I am mocking-up for Seth to build.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1328598179.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1328598226.jpg

The tank will hold a bit over 3.5 gallons and will fill and vent from a opening flap cut into the outside of the truck.

Here is a shot of the rear support for the hitch and shock mounts from the last visit to Seth at Twisted Minis.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1328598544.jpg

Some parts for the oil system, Fluidyne front cooler that will be cut into the front bumper.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1328598785.jpg

TurboKraft 02-26-2012 02:25 PM

Bravo! Simply awesome.
To your fabricator: congratulations, sir! That exhaust -- usually we find that the simpler it looks, the harder is was. If it looks easy, it wasn't.
Great build.

Fishcop 03-01-2012 01:02 AM

Such an epic build!

67dubcab 03-11-2012 05:11 PM

porsche powered mid-engine double cab
 
Thanks guys for the kind remarks.

Fishcop, I have been following your thread in the bodywork forum and am using it for technical and mental preparation for when I tackle the body and paint on the d.c.

Turbokraft, I am sure Seth will appreciate your remarks as one pro to another, I know he puts more effort into the build than my compensation can cover, but thats what talent and integrity can make people do.

I have been working on some small stuff until Seth and I can get the dry sump tank built.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1331514445.jpg


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1331514477.jpg


http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1331514502.jpg

The seat base and back will get foam and vinyl covering.

67dubcab 05-14-2012 06:16 PM

porsche powered mid-engine double cab
 
Here are some shots of the dry sump tank, test fitting before Seth does the final welding.
It is a stock Patterson tank that has been "adjusted" to fit in its new home.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1337048010.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1337048053.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1337048074.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1337048098.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1337048121.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1337048145.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1337048162.jpg

67dubcab 06-01-2012 06:18 PM

porsche powered mid-engine double cab
 
Here are some more parts to the oil system, the vent and fill will be cut into the side of the truck and covered by a vented teardrop blister thing.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1338603038.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1338603075.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1338603113.jpg

Seth is metal forming the blister from the rough shape made by pressing thin aluminum sheet in a wood and epoxy form I made.

67dubcab 06-01-2012 06:32 PM

porsche powered mid-engine double cab
 
I found a photo of the form before I poured the epoxy to make the negative part.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1338604342.jpg

67dubcab 06-25-2012 09:11 AM

porsche powered mid-engine double cab
 
Some more progress on the vent box.
I still need to cut some slots in the cover for the oil breather tank.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1340644204.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1340644225.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1340644243.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1340644261.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1340644278.jpg

67dubcab 07-11-2012 04:46 PM

porsche powered mid-engine double cab
 
A little more progress to show.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1342053682.jpg
vent slots cut into blister.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1342053733.jpg
oil fill and breather tank filter.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1342053821.jpg
dry sump tank bolted in and vent/ fill hoses plumbed in.

Next up is front oil cooler fabbed into front bumper.

redstrosekNic 09-09-2012 06:17 AM

Fantastic work!

67dubcab 09-26-2012 08:54 AM

porsche powered mid-engine double cab
 
Thanks!
Here are some shots of the front cooler, lots more to be done to this part.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1348678044.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1348678086.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1348678117.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1348678144.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1348678165.jpg

I have also been working on the electrical system, the dme is mounted with rubber standoffs.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1348678427.jpg

Lukesportsman 10-24-2012 08:26 AM

Nice RS bumper on a van :D

67dubcab 10-28-2012 02:40 PM

porsche powered mid-engine double cab
 
Thanks Lukesportsman, I just wish I could have made it as light as a RS bumper, but in a early type 2 you need all the help you can get!

Here is some cable shift action.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1351463912.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1351463939.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1351463956.jpg
Mostly done , just needs some detailing.

67dubcab 11-03-2012 03:18 PM

porsche powered mid-engine double cab
 
Some more shots of the cable shift contraption, now the finished version.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1351984647.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1351984682.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1351984726.jpg

Flieger 11-05-2012 07:34 PM

Very cool. :cool:

redstrosekNic 11-07-2012 04:35 AM

I cannot wait to see the finished product! It is very cool following the build with pictures, though :)

67dubcab 11-11-2012 06:53 PM

porsche powered mid-engine double cab
 
Thanks again for the encouraging comments.
Some more progress on the electrical front.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1352691944.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1352691973.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1352692039.jpg
I am adding six switched and six always hot fuses in the new engine bay, I would like to do a complete re-wire in the future but this should work for now, the stock vw wiring still works but has a lot of unfused circuits.

67dubcab 02-09-2013 09:15 AM

porsche powered mid-engine double cab
 
Some more slow but sure progress, the electrical system is finished and I ordered the last of the oil system -16 fittings.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1360432853.jpg
I ordered four fittings and five feet of hose to get the dry sump tank hooked up so I could put the engine in.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1360433165.jpg
All the wiring will be wrapped after start-up, keeping it open till tested under power.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1360433317.jpg
The seat base in position, 1/8" clearance to idle valve.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1360433504.jpg
Working on the engine tin, front mostly done.

daepp 02-14-2013 02:17 PM

Epic!

aribop 02-14-2013 03:15 PM

Beautiful craftsmanship!

More pictures please.

wachuko 02-28-2013 07:35 AM

You sure can weld... what a labor of love and workmanship.... amazing!

67dubcab 03-02-2013 09:31 AM

porsche powered mid-engine double cab
 
Thanks for the compliment, but all the welds were done by Seth, at Twisted Minis, who is doing most of the fab work for the build, who is full of fabricating awesome.

Picked up some srd's local so I can run Schroth 4 point harness.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1362248828.jpg
Engine tin done.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1362248896.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1362248923.jpg

Working on re-assembly in preparation for start-up.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1362249050.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1362249074.jpg

67dubcab 03-08-2013 10:03 PM

porsche powered mid-engine double cab
 
More getting systems installed for start-up.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1362812340.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1362812389.jpg

-16 oil lines.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1362812435.jpg

Shifter cables.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1362812475.jpg

Temporary shifter base till I can drive it to the fabricator.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1362812574.jpg

Lukesportsman 03-09-2013 08:50 AM

Love the lightening holes in the wood! Minus the lower bracket, it looks cooler than the fugly looking OEM plastic shifter housing bracket.

67dubcab 03-18-2013 10:05 PM

porsche powered mid-engine double cab
 
Thanks Lukesportsman,
I am just having a little fun with this part as I think it will be mounted onto a tube as part of the front cage but if not something like what I made but in aluminum. And fugly stock shifter will eventually be hidden by aluminum cowling thingy.

Some progress on the trunk.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1363672114.jpg

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1363672146.jpg

Front cooler plumbed in.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1363672208.jpg

So I filled the tank with 18 quarts of oil and connected the battery to test the start/ engine circuit. So far no smoke.
I turn key on and both oil pressure lights go on and alternator (charge) light glow red, check check! Still no smoke so I turn key to start and it spins! Weird noise with the high-torque starter and no plugs in, but excellent!
Soon the stock low pressure warning light goes out and another couple of 10 second blast of the starter and the second low pressure light goes out(V.D.O. oil pressure sender optional low pressure switch) more excellent.

I put the plugs back in and tomorrow I will put in some fuel.

daepp 03-19-2013 09:03 AM

I have been lurking here on this amazing build thread, in awe of the quality and the ingenuity shown. I could never do anything like this. That having been said, are you sure you want that oil cooler mounted in front of the bumper? Every other mod is so stealthy, and what if some dummy backs into you etc? Could it go behind a bumper full of holes?

Please don't think me critical - that is amazing work you're doing there!!!

jadewombat 03-19-2013 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daepp (Post 7338057)
Every other mod is so stealthy, and what if some dummy backs into you etc? Could it go behind a bumper full of holes?

Please don't think me critical - that is amazing work you're doing there!!!

Can't speaker for the owner but it looks like it will be OK unless somebody with a dually and trailer ball hitch backs into that bumper. If it's just bumper to bumper the oil cooler doesn't look like it's sitting flush with the boxed enclosure.

67dubcab 03-19-2013 09:59 PM

porsche powered mid-engine double cab
 
Hey daepp, I appreciate the critical input!
my first choice was to cut a intake in the stock bumper but the distance between the frame rails is too tight.
I also thought of running a large fan assisted belly cooler but I like the simplicity of the front location.
It looks abrupt right now but should blend better with some fairing and paint.

I tried to start it today but had no spark and the starter packed it in before I could trace out the fault.

67dubcab 04-15-2013 08:51 PM

porsche powered mid-engine double cab
 
My e.c.u. came back from 911chips today, Steve found some one had been inside it before,leaving some phone wire jumpers,bad solders and other hacks, the person I bought it from said I was lucky as the unit had been fixed of cracked solder joints that plague these units-I am not feeling confident as this is the guy who sold me the "excellent condition engine".

The unit also had a blown main ignition coil transister, which would cause a no start, and I wondered if my wiring was incorrect, so I re-checked my work.
It all looked good to me so I put in the E.C.U. and turned it over.It sounded like it was trying to catch so I kept going with 10 second starter hits, after about 4 of these it caught and went straight to a steady idle!

After checking for spraying gas or oil I gave it revved it up to clear out its long dormant internals.
I tried to put it in gear but the clutch is dragging so I will adjust it tomorrow and try again.

67dubcab 04-16-2013 07:15 PM

porsche powered mid-engine double cab
 
It is now driving!

I messed with the clutch and got some limited travel at the bottom of the pedal so I gave it a run up and down the driveway then the road and a bit of freeway.

Seems to run pretty well, decent power and shifts O.K. (need to change the clutch geometry).

The suspension feels good and the spring rates seem to be in the middle range for my intended use. I spent a lot of time figuring out the effective rates- I am running front and rear torsions with springs. I will further tune with more wheel time and corner balance and alignment.
Need to work on sound abatement, pretty loud as is with seat and pedestal in place but not yet lined with sound mat.

Lots left to do to refine but it moves!

67dubcab 04-19-2013 06:22 PM

porsche powered mid-engine double cab
 
Well, joy turns to sorrow.
I drained my start up oil after only 30 miles to put in fresh VR1 and the bucket looked like I was panning for gold, lots of suspended metal flakes and larger flakes(aluminum and gold colored).

I changed out the Canton filter and refilled with 13 quarts of VR1.
I started it up and let it warm up at idle and drained again, more of the same but less of the aluminum flakes.
It is looking like I was sold a toasted engine.

My start up procedure was to fill with 18 quarts of oil then hand crank (plugs out) about 10 rotations then starter with plugs out fuel off till my oil pressure warning lights went out (I have a new stock sender and a new oil pressure sender with the optional pressure switch which is about 12 p.s.i.) both went out quickly in sequence.

when I put in the plugs and tried to start thats when I found out the e.c.u. was blown and the starter died.

67dubcab 04-19-2013 06:34 PM

porsche powered mid-engine double cab
 
The oil pressure is about 40 to 50 psi cold at idle then drops to 20 psi when warm, the driving pressure is 40 to 60+ when warm depending on r.p.m.
The new vdo temp sender/ gauge gets up to 180 then stays there(only short drives so far) and front lines to cooler a little warm (stock thermostat) and front cooler return cold.
So engine still on internal thermostat.

So, I have a engine with good oil pressure, zero leaks, cool as cucumber and oil that looks like my 6 year old daughter had a glitter party in it.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1366425218.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1366425240.jpg
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1366425258.jpg

jadewombat 04-20-2013 03:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 67dubcab (Post 7396694)
Well, joy turns to sorrow.
I drained my start up oil after only 30 miles to put in fresh VR1 and the bucket looked like I was panning for gold, lots of suspended metal flakes and larger flakes(aluminum and gold colored).

Bummer.

Really takes the fire out of you. I had a '76 911 engine I had big plans for with my old bug a few years ago. Same thing happened with the oil but the compression was so low I couldn't even get it to start. We just had a child and I wound up walking away from it because I didn't have the time to rebuild the whole engine.

At least you can drive it around for a little while though. ;)

67dubcab 04-21-2013 09:17 PM

porsche powered mid-engine double cab
 
Hey jadewombat, thanks for checking in, sorry about your engine trouble too, these engines are just so costly to rebuild, but they are Porsches and quality is expensive.
I decided early on this build to roll at this level after ditching my 2056 type 4 motor,umm also not cheap.
I was not ready to pay twice though!

That short 30 or so miles drive proved the overall concept to be successful.
I will pull the engine and find the problem and get it running again,dammit!(getting the fire going again)

gamesert 04-21-2013 10:37 PM

the engineering that went in to this project is pretty darn cool, especially the wooden shift holder haha. i had a question about your engine mounting crossbar, i want to drill holes in mine to lighten it but im afraid of compromising its intergrity what would i do to strengthen it. it has one upper lip

67dubcab 04-24-2013 07:05 PM

porsche powered mid-engine double cab
 
Hey gamesert, my bar is a stock piece from rennline, my bar that came with motor was bent, but I would probably tig a top and bottom hat for rigidity fore and aft on a stock one then drill and finish for a one off part.

gnx7 05-08-2013 01:18 PM

incredible fabwork!

once you painted the undercarriage it looks amazing....

67dubcab 05-29-2013 06:57 PM

porsche powered mid-engine double cab
 
It is alive!(again).
I found a complete 3.2 that had been sitting on a shelf with no history, took a chance and bought it. I took it down to a long block and put on the "glitter engine" intake and exhaust.
I started it up today and so far so good.
It sounds good, a little valve clatter, but I wanted to run it before adjusting because the leak down results were low on two cylinders. I wanted to loosen it up in case it was just sticky from sitting for years.
So far it appears to be a solid runner, I will dyno it soon to test for power as I am running a 911 chip that will be adjusted for to tune for my custom exhaust.
More to come as I shake it down.

67dubcab 06-02-2013 09:28 PM

porsche powered mid-engine double cab
 
Thanks gnx7, I plan to blast and paint the front of the chassis as well, probably when I start the front A-arm suspension.

Today I drove about 110 miles to the Partsheaven swap and show. I was selling some of the take-off parts from the build. The response to the double cab was really positive, and was nice to discuss the build face to face with all the Porsche fans, and a bunch of you who have followed this build thread here and also The Samba. Thanks for the enthusiasm as it is very encouraging to me especially after the recent engine debacle.

The truck drove well on the way there and easily kept a fast pace on the early morning freeway, felt very stable and happy to humm along at around 3500 r.p.m. in fifth.

The only issue besides a few oil leaks was the front bearing or balljoint was making me nervous on the drive home with some noise and vibration, got to check that out.
More fab work soon to mount the front seats and finish the front and rear bumpers.


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