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[NYNick]

Originally Posted by Unobtanium-inc

A friend of mine sold his 86 Carrera and bought a 991, with PDK. He was all excited about the PDK, but then his wife bought a new Jetta, with PDK, said it felt about the same. He said driving the 991 only felt like a Porsche when he pushed it to the limit, but it normally felt about like the Jetta. And this guy had Porsches since they were new, Speedsters, 550's, 911S's, even a 906, so he knows what a Porsche is supposed to feel like.
---Adam

I never said it was a substitute for owning a classic car with a manual transmission. I just think in a modern car, it's the way to go.

"What a Porsche is supposed to feel like", btw? That's just hooey. They span multiple decades. They're still in business. They feel how they feel when they're made, in context. If your friend prefers the old style, that's just his opinion, not fact.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by Unobtanium-inc

A friend of mine sold his 86 Carrera and bought a 991, with PDK. He was all excited about the PDK, but then his wife bought a new Jetta, with PDK, said it felt about the same. He said driving the 991 only felt like a Porsche when he pushed it to the limit, but it normally felt about like the Jetta. And this guy had Porsches since they were new, Speedsters, 550's, 911S's, even a 906, so he knows what a Porsche is supposed to feel like.
---Adam

I would assert that is actually the point. If one is going to have one car for everything, it's awesome to have the flexibility for a car to feel casual and at ease on a daily basis, but when you want to get on it, it's instantly available to be something else. You don't get that in a GT3 or GT4. Those cars always feel like a sportscar and require driver involvement.

A modern Carrera is a Grand Touring car, and cruises like one. More and more I think about it, my next car may be a PDK Panamera. With young kids I need a 4 door daily driver for a while. I thought I wanted a Macan, but after driving one, I just got a Tiguan for my wife and am saving my pennies for something more sporting in a year or two.

[Unobtanium-inc]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

I would assert that is actually the point. If one is going to have one car for everything, it's awesome to have the flexibility for a car to feel casual and at ease on a daily basis, but when you want to get on it, it's instantly available to be something else. You don't get that in a GT3 or GT4. Those cars always feel like a sportscar and require driver involvement.

A modern Carrera is a Grand Touring car, and cruises like one. More and more I think about it, my next car may be a PDK Panamera. With young kids I need a 4 door daily driver for a while. I thought I wanted a Macan, but after driving one, I just got a Tiguan for my wife and am saving my pennies for something more sporting in a year or two.

My brother Matt really really wanted a Macon, bought one, drove it for a month, sold it and bought an Audi wagon.

---Adam

[JMS935]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

I would assert that is actually the point. If one is going to have one car for everything, it's awesome to have the flexibility for a car to feel casual and at ease on a daily basis, but when you want to get on it, it's instantly available to be something else. You don't get that in a GT3 or GT4. Those cars always feel like a sportscar and require driver involvement.

A modern Carrera is a Grand Touring car, and cruises like one. More and more I think about it, my next car may be a PDK Panamera. With young kids I need a 4 door daily driver for a while. I thought I wanted a Macan, but after driving one, I just got a Tiguan for my wife and am saving my pennies for something more sporting in a year or two.

Forget about the Panamera. You can get a Trackhawk for the price of a base model Panamera, yet it’ll at least keep pace with if not outrun the Turbo S model, which is twice the money. Btw, other than the 2 door requirement, it meets all of the other checklists from the OP. It’s stupid how fast this SUV is, even more ridiculous is how much you get for the money. If you want a 4 door DD that has massive power under foot, there’s nothing better for the money. That is assuming that you’re willing to stray from the Porsche brand.

[Unobtanium-inc]

I normally pick Mercedes for daily drivers. My last one was a CLK 350 and I'm now driving a E Cabriolet. Plenty of power, German quality, style, and you don't break the bank. And they are not garaged, they are disposable, not part of the collection.

---Adam

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by JMS935

Forget about the Panamera. You can get a Trackhawk for the price of a base model Panamera, yet it’ll at least keep pace with if not outrun the Turbo S model, which is twice the money. Btw, other than the 2 door requirement, it meets all of the other checklists from the OP. It’s stupid how fast this SUV is, even more ridiculous is how much you get for the money. If you want a 4 door DD that has massive power under foot, there’s nothing better for the money. That is assuming that you’re willing to stray from the Porsche brand.

Vomit. I’ll never own another Jeep. And I’m not interested in crazy power. Nor am I interested in an suv. A Panamera 4S will be just fine, unless Subaru pulls their head out if their arses and brings us the Levorg.

[JMS935]

I’ve had Jeep GCs for my DD for 13 years now, and not an issue to speak of yet. It’s the most reliable brand I’ve ever owned by a long shot. It sure does have some crazy power, and burns gas with the best of ‘em.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

Originally Posted by NYNick

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"What a Porsche is supposed to feel like", btw? That's just hooey. They span multiple decades. They're still in business. They feel how they feel when they're made, in context. If your friend prefers the old style, that's just his opinion, not fact.

Agreed, and usually when guys say things like, "That's how machine X is supposed to feel", they are simply attempting to excuse something that sucks about the way it operates (aka - "character").

BTW, I'm not talking about you/your post specifically, Adam.

[speednme1]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

I used to feel that way, but then I drove a few PDKs. Now I'm daily driving a DSG gearbox VW quite happily. I don't feel like I'm missing anything. When I want to get on it, I just knock the shifter to the side and take over on the paddles. I wouldn't hesitate for a minute to drive a PDK Porsche.

The thing I've always found slightly ironic is that everyone talks about the 3rd pedal. In motorsports, we've spent years refining the gearbox to the point where you don't need to use the pedal. The PDK came out of racing technology attempting to make faster shifts and spend less time where you aren't putting power to the wheels between shifts. Having spent some time driving dog boxes, getting good enough at it that you can skip or barely use the pedal is the point. It's hard, so hard in fact, that on the 997 Cups they added blippers and rev-matchers to the gearboxes because owners were destroying them quickly, and sometimes catastrophically. Yet the manual die hards, always going back to their precious clutch pedal. The clutch pedal is obsolete.

If the car is going to be my fun vehicle...not my daily. I want a manual. Now if I was fortunate enough to have several fun vehicles a pdk/paddle shift car might be in the bunch. Let’s face it...electric cars will out pace almost any internal combustible engine but does that make them more fun because they are faster?

[Alan A]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

Vomit. I’ll never own another Jeep. And I’m not interested in crazy power. Nor am I interested in an suv. A Panamera 4S will be just fine, unless Subaru pulls their head out if their arses and brings us the Levorg.

Cross drive the Panamera with an A8L with a v8. Srsly.
Especially if you have kids.
Just be sure to get a warranty...

[specialtyoneinc]

Originally Posted by JMS935

Forget about the Panamera. You can get a Trackhawk for the price of a base model Panamera, yet it’ll at least keep pace with if not outrun the Turbo S model, which is twice the money. Btw, other than the 2 door requirement, it meets all of the other checklists from the OP. It’s stupid how fast this SUV is, even more ridiculous is how much you get for the money. If you want a 4 door DD that has massive power under foot, there’s nothing better for the money. That is assuming that you’re willing to stray from the Porsche brand.

Haha. How old are you?

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by Alan A

Cross drive the Panamera with an A8L with a v8. Srsly.
Especially if you have kids.
Just be sure to get a warranty...

I will. The Audi avants are on the list. I leased this Sportwagen for 3 years and within a month of signing I was already thinking Audi.

[JMS935]

Originally Posted by specialtyoneinc

Haha. How old are you?

What is funny to you? Enlighten us.

[littleoldman]

I daily drive my Marvelous M2 manual when not driving several 911s between 1970-2010. The M2 as a daily is superb. Feels fun like pre 95 911s and has all the modern goodies.

[specialtyoneinc]

Originally Posted by JMS935

What is funny to you? Enlighten us.

I find it funny that someone would cross shop a V6 Panamera with a Trackhawk. Complete different customer bases and animals. That's all.

[JMS935]

Originally Posted by specialtyoneinc

I find it funny that someone would cross shop a V6 Panamera with a Trackhawk. Complete different customer bases and animals. That's all.

I was cross shopping the price point. You can buy a base model Panamera for roughly the same price as a Trackhawk. That’s the real joke.

[Rawknees'Turbo]

I just can't believe that MountainMan, or anyone else, for that MATTer, would even consider driving a Panamera, considering that they are one of dorkiest looking boats available. Weird!

[Mocker]

I just picked up a 2016 Golf R for my DD. AWD (same system as the Audi Quattro) and nearly 300 HP.

Sorry, Matt, but I test drove both the PDK and the 6-speed and went with the manual. It really was a toss-up, but for long-term ownership (I'm planning on keeping this car for a while) I still don't trust the PDK for longevity.

OP, you can get a brand new one for half of your $80k target.

[pu911]

I owned a 6 speed golf R for a couple years, great car! Unfortunately if you buy a new one you'll take a decent haircut when you go to sell. Today used ones are a smoking deal For $80k buy a winter beater golf R and a summer Boxster!

[G450X]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

I used to feel that way, but then I drove a few PDKs. Now I'm daily driving a DSG gearbox VW quite happily. I don't feel like I'm missing anything. When I want to get on it, I just knock the shifter to the side and take over on the paddles. I wouldn't hesitate for a minute to drive a PDK Porsche.

The thing I've always found slightly ironic is that everyone talks about the 3rd pedal. In motorsports, we've spent years refining the gearbox to the point where you don't need to use the pedal. The PDK came out of racing technology attempting to make faster shifts and spend less time where you aren't putting power to the wheels between shifts. Having spent some time driving dog boxes, getting good enough at it that you can skip or barely use the pedal is the point. It's hard, so hard in fact, that on the 997 Cups they added blippers and rev-matchers to the gearboxes because owners were destroying them quickly, and sometimes catastrophically. Yet the manual die hards, always going back to their precious clutch pedal. The clutch pedal is obsolete.

Almost anyone with a pulse can drive an automatic, little to no challenge. If that gives you a thrill, have at it. All of my cars/trucks are manuals. If automatic everything is the wave of the future, I’ll live in the past and enjoy it. I have driven various PDK/DSG vehicle’s, and they are good automatics - if I lose a leg and can’t shift without damaging the transmission, I will buy one. The wife drives an auto because she kept stalling the manual (VW TDI 6 speed, still miss it) and getting rear ended, but even she admits missing the stick now.

I understand an automatic on the track and the “win at all cost mentality” (and not necessarily enjoy the process) and to omit human errors. One thing I don’t understand about people who push the automatic is their unwillingness to accept that other people don’t want to use their “precious” automatics and then they get an attitude about it.