Nonmatching 71S living in a 72T

72doug2,2S · 72doug2,2S's Garage

Hi All,

In your best guess what would you estimate a solid '72T with a transplanted '71 2,2S engine bring? All else is original, including interior which has aged gracefully.

Overall-
The dash is slightly cracked, it is on it's third color (newish) and the transmission is slow getting into first and downshifting into second is a guess, but is otherwise well.
Driving it, well those things just don't bother me.

techweenie · techweenie's Garage

Around $20-22K, I would think. [assuming great rustfree chassis] If it were mine, the '71 S engine would be offered up to complete a '71S missing its power plant (I know of one, and I believe somebody has a WTB on Early S). A stock engine could go back in (T values are not hit as hard by non-matching, but type-matching engines). And with a proper 2.4 T engine, I think you'd be at about the same valuation.

Are you asking for insurance purposes?

72doug2,2S · 72doug2,2S's Garage

I was thinking in terms of insurance and whether I should be looking to pick up a bastard '71S.

Seems what you say is reasonable. Although value wise, it doesn't sound like the S engine is that much more valuable than a T engine without a car to go into. In other words values are more about the right car with the right engine, than the engine itself.

techweenie · techweenie's Garage

Looking at it another way, with a car to go in, the '71S engine could be very valuable. It's unlikely to reunite with its original chassis (that could be a financial home run, with 2.2 S valuations pushing 5 figures), but a close match would be a good value boost for the owner of a '71S without engine.

There's a place where you can publish the engine number and potentially find the owner of the chassis the engine came from (rare, but it does happen).

72doug2,2S · 72doug2,2S's Garage

Where's that site?

techweenie · techweenie's Garage

Lost and Found Thread

Matt Monson · 10-22-2012, 09:32 AM

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Any idea if the 356 guys have a thread like that somewhere? I've got a '58 1600S engine that I don't need and would sell it for cheap if I found the owner of the car...

Doug,
I've seen early S motors with all their stuff sell for $8-10K. Personally I wouldn't consider it worth the trouble unless you had another engine already sitting around waiting to go into the car. By the same token, for that kind of money, you could find a 911sc 3.0l and put it into the car.

mattC2993 · 10-22-2012, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt Monson

Any idea if the 356 guys have a thread like that somewhere? I've got a '58 1600S engine that I don't need and would sell it for cheap if I found the owner of the car...

You can try the 356A.com site for tracing VIN, engine and transaxle numbers. There is a thread on the 356Registry for those searching for original engines.

fryardds · fryardds's Garage

Doug,

What are the details of your engine? Does it have it's original MFI (ie, correct stacks, TB, and importantly correct pump)? Also how does the engine run? Any rebuild history? All this adds up to top $ as you know.

Personally I really dislike 3.0L transplants. Sure a some more HP, but your high compression, peaky engine is gone and that is a sad thing IMHO.

Matt Monson · 10-23-2012, 08:49 AM

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You can try the 356A.com site for tracing VIN, engine and transaxle numbers. There is a thread on the 356Registry for those searching for original engines.

Too bad they've made the registry a for profit forum. I don't pay to belong to any forum, just on principal. I've been on car forums for nearly 15 years going back to when they were "lists". I can't stomach paying to post anywhere. I make donations to cover operating costs of ones I like, but having to pay to participate?

Guess this engine will just keep sitting.

Sorry for the OT. Back to Doug's car...

72doug2,2S · 72doug2,2S's Garage

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Originally Posted by fryardds

Doug,

What are the details of your engine? Does it have it's original MFI (ie, correct stacks, TB, and importantly correct pump)? Also how does the engine run? Any rebuild history? All this adds up to top $ as you know.

Personally I really dislike 3.0L transplants. Sure a some more HP, but your high compression, peaky engine is gone and that is a sad thing IMHO.

Correct MFI pump and stacks all there, everything is original. Cold start even works. Engine runs fine. I had the valve timing reset after the top end rebuild got one value too tight. The only issue I face is an idle that wants to be at 1,500 when warm. It get's a second wind at 5-6k. It just wants to go, reminds me of the V8 328 Ferrari I drove two weeks ago. Plenty of power.

72doug2,2S · 72doug2,2S's Garage

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Originally Posted by Matt Monson

Doug,
I've seen early S motors with all their stuff sell for $8-10K. Personally I wouldn't consider it worth the trouble ...

That's where I am right now.

porschecab · porschecab's Garage

Never believe what I have. '72 MFI motor complete, currently set up with Webber 40's. I was going to put this into a '69S I have, but would be interested in trying to work something out between us - you'd end up with the proper motor for your car, mine would be bettered with the S.
porschecabATcomcastDOTnet is my email!!

Dan

techweenie · techweenie's Garage

Hey, Dan! I have a '69S engine... seriously. It's on the way. Let's talk.

techweenie · techweenie's Garage

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Originally Posted by Matt Monson

Too bad they've made the registry a for profit forum. I don't pay to belong to any forum, just on principal. I've been on car forums for nearly 15 years going back to when they were "lists". I can't stomach paying to post anywhere. I make donations to cover operating costs of ones I like, but having to pay to participate?

Guess this engine will just keep sitting.

I know, right? I used to own a '66 GT350 and wanted to make some old pictures available to the new owner, but the Shelby Club forum is closed to outsiders, so the (presumed) member loses out.

fryardds · fryardds's Garage

I don't think so. I am not a Shelby Club member but I am a forum member (mostly for lurking).

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Sounds like a great 2.2 S engine Doug. I would just enjoy it in it's current location.

72doug2,2S · 72doug2,2S's Garage

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I don't think so. I am not a Shelby Club member but I am a forum member (mostly for lurking).

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Sounds like a great 2.2 S engine Doug. I would just enjoy it in it's current location.

Cheers Brian, I think I will. Enjoy that German or should I say Swiss RS.

fryardds · fryardds's Garage

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Cheers Brian, I think I will. Enjoy that German or should I say Swiss RS.

Good memory Doug.

72doug2,2S · 72doug2,2S's Garage

Thanks Brian.

Update:

Not a common thing to find, so I'm grateful for this site. If this is any kind of comparison, being UK vs US, and all things being equal and as of 10-2012.

Here's a complete 2,2S motor (Which was running when they removed it).

£12K GBP

Xch 1.60366 as of 10-12

$19K USD

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