Black 911 964 For Sale in Seekonk MA - why hasnt it sold yet?

[p@ul]

1989 Porsche 911, Used Cars For Sale - Carsforsale.com

With me scouring the web daily for 964's this one keeps popping up - yet it has not sold yet.

Does anyone have any good reason other than the mileage and the price as to why it has not sold?

My price range is $25k or less... and I am at seriously contemplating this car. This will be my first 911 and I dont want to buy a freakin lemon.

Thanks for the suggestions, concerns, general comments.

-Paul

[thepenguin99]

It's a C4. They tend to be less sought after than the C2.

[p@ul]

Originally Posted by thepenguin99

It's a C4. They tend to be less sought after than the C2.

OK call me an idiot (ok I called myself one) but why is this the case? Expense of ownership/maintenance? In other realms (VW for example) AWD is sought after.

Or just the fact that these are the first AWD (therefore problem ridden) 911's?

I am listening! School me.

Thanks,

Paul

[SilberUrS6]

MUCH more expensive to fix when stuff fails.

VW/Audi AWD = TORSEN or Haldex. Very robust. And cheap to fix if somehow you break it.

Porsche first-gen AWD (in the 964) is very complex and not nearly as robust. If I were buying a 964, I would also stay away from the AWD flavor, unless the price begged me not to.

[dporsche74]

I just pick up my 1st 964 C4 toy ... unbelievable grip at any speeds 225/265.. I am very impressed..

The high pressure system is not the big deal ppl make it out out to be
more complex then the C2 vacuum bases YES.... 4 extra bleed valves compared to the 9 in the C2 . so whats 4 more . but for the extra grip and 1st yr of anything 911 is always fun and worth trying out. my new favorite 911 to drive.

[SilberUrS6]

Originally Posted by dporsche74

I just pick up my 1st 964 C4 toy ... unbelievable grip at any speeds 225/265.. I am very impressed..

The high pressure system is not the big deal ppl make it out out to be
more complex then the C2 vacuum bases YES.... 4 extra bleed valves compared to the 9 in the C2 . so whats 4 more . but for the extra grip and 1st yr of anything 911 is always fun and worth trying out. my new favorite 911 to drive.

LOL, sure.

That's EXACTLY what all the buyer's guides say.

Not.

[thepenguin99]

The 964 AWD is actually pretty robust from everything I have heard/read but it is more complicated than the system used in the 993.

As for why they are less sought after. I assume it has a lot to do with the fact that the RWD stick shift is the "iconic" 911 formula.

[Type911]

There is an Asking price, a Wanting price and a Taking price. This principle applies to buyers and sellers. Pretty simple

If your budget is 25, then I would say you should investigate further. Find a shop close by for a reputable PPI, get more pictures, history, info and make an informed decision. If all that pans out, make an offer with the above in mind.

Why has it not sold? My guess is the website and the location.

As for all the C4 naysayers. Quit reciting what you read on the internet that was written by someone who never owned a 964, let alone lived with a C4. Amazing cars, and rock solid.

[thepenguin99]

Not sure if the C4 naysayer comment was directed at me. If it was I really don't see why. I wasn't saying the car was inferior. Just that they sell for less money than a similar C2. That is a fact, not opinion.

[Macroni]

Price is on high side ....89s leak a bit and the condition is critical as many of the long term maintenance items will need to be completed at 100,000 miles. A friend bought an 80,000 mile car and faced significant long term repair items and upgrades. IMO this is standard w/ all used Porsches. These are very nice cars......

[TV74911S]

I spent a fair amount of time looking at 964s on line before I bought my '90. Most model years didn't seem to stay on the market long, except for '89s. Mileage and condition didn't seem to matter either - many were on the market for 90 days at least.

I happen to know of a black '89, offered by a shop in Lexington MA with a completely rebuilt motor that has been for sale for quite a long time. They have a lot in the car and may be more realistic about the price than they once were, but is a good example of what I am talking about.

[sm70911]

Saw a C2 here
Porsche 1991 964 C2

[thepenguin99]

Originally Posted by sm70911

Saw a C2 here
Porsche 1991 964 C2

That doesn't look too bad if "minor body work" is rock chips or a scratch and the interior is nice. Their was a 1990 C2 5spd in TX yesterday for 12k on CL with oil leakage issues but under 100k miles. Not sure who stole it. I tried, even offering over asking, but I was too late.

[trader220]

300bhp with a chip and exhaust only?

[Icepack]

Same place had a white '87 that sold this afternoon on Ebay:

Porsche : 911 Carrera in Porsche | eBay Motors

This place is located about 20 minutes from me. I looked at and drove the white '87. The description and pictures were very honest and a good representation of the car.

If I recall he said the black 964 came from Milford, MA.

[CountD]

If the 964 C4 does not have maintenance records, RUN, don't walk, away.

Seriously, these cars are maintenance hogs. To me they are an icon. I would love to own one. I would love to drive one everyday. I would love to buy one. However, every one I have ever seen has some sort of light on on the dash for some mechanical issue. And these issues cost serious money to correct. Find one that has been meticulously maintained. These are complex cars. These are seriously complex cars.

The parts involved in the AWD system are staggering to say the least.

[techweenie]

The elephant in the room on the 964 engine is that until mid '91 model year, they were made without head gaskets. This little engineering experiment did not end well for about 20% of engines and the cost to fix -- if not absorbed by Porsche -- was a big chunk of change. Today 964s of this era without documentation on the machining fix are difficult to sell.

The C4's additional complexity and weight just adds to the problem. Would I buy/recommend a C4 964? Sure. For the right price.

[christiandk]

The c4 looks awfull to me. Unoriginal pimp up. Tells you a lot abot the po, imo.

The c2 posted by sm looks nice and original to a fair price.

I once had a C2 WTL with an obnoxous hydraulic system. Would never hold the pressure, the pump was on all the time. I think that the C4 has that system as well.

[creaturecat]

the head gasket thing is a minor issue, unless proven otherwise.
most of them never leaked in the first place.
ppi is always your friend.

[Matt Monson]

The owners defending the 964 C4 AWD system haven't had to repair theirs, yet.

It is a robust system. It is a reliable system. But like anything else on a car, when you put enough miles on it, you will wear something out and when you do it will cost a lot of money. An average G50 C2 gearbox service is $2500-3000. A C4 will generally cost you about twice that when the day comes.

Great design pulled directly from the 959. But everything for it is rare and expensive. And thus the lower price the cars command and why they sit.

Regards,

Matt Monson
Guard Transmission llc