RS American Pricing, through the roof?

[DJJ]

Are RS Amercia's really fetching these kinds of dollars? This one is super clean but almost 100k for

Kicking myself for not picking these up a few years back when had the chance!

Link to ad 93 RS America for sale

[65rsr]

WOW! Paid $40,000 for mine when it had less than 10k on it, and it was a one off Brumos car.

[DJJ]

Do you still have yours?

[65rsr]

Originally Posted by DJJ

Do you still have yours?

I wish. I know where it is, but I doubt he'd part with it.



RSAmerica.net: Article: Steven B

[JordanPryce]

From the rsamerica.net site....

What is the most common mistake RS America owners admit to making?

Whenever I take my RS America to any kind of car event, it attracts the attention of other RSA owners, and without question, the most frequent mistake admitted by RSA owners almost always runs along the lines of

“I used to have an RS America ...... and I REALLY wish I'd never sold that car!”

Former RS America owners will go to great lengths, even to the point of chasing you through downtown traffic, during rush hour, waving and pointing as if your car is on fire, just to tell you how great their RSA was (ask me how I know this).

..... maybe there's a lesson there somewhere!

[Jeff Burger]

Originally Posted by 65rsr

I wish. I know where it is, but I doubt he'd part with it.



RSAmerica.net: Article: Steven B

Steve always loved your car. Couldn't believe you sold it. Thanks for that trip back in history.

Not to throw a wet blanket on this RSA Love-fest but I had an RSA I used as a daily driver for a couple years. Great car but as a daily driver I much prefer my 92 C2..

[creaturecat]

there is a seemingly nice one on Vancouver C/l.
Red. 48000.

[SilberUrS6]

Originally Posted by creaturecat

there is a seemingly nice one on Vancouver C/l.
Red. 48000.

They are a little more than they were a couple of years ago, but not much different from the overall aircooled pricing trend.

[creaturecat]

I prefer the regular C2, myself.
Best deal out there, imho.

[vracer]

The C2 is a better car. Read the book, "Newer is Better". ;>)

[Canine64]

Originally Posted by creaturecat

there is a seemingly nice one on Vancouver C/l.
Red. 48000.

Beware. This car is a scam according to posters on RL.

[cvlcporsche]

Originally Posted by Canine64

Beware. This car is a scam according to posters on RL.

Yes, be VERY CAREFUL on that one ITS A SCAM!! The pictures posted are of my former RSA. It is a very nice car, but I am 110% positive the current owner does not have it for sale, nor is it in Vancouver, Canada nor would it sell for only $48k. I sold the car for quite a bit more than that...

PM me if you have any questions about it, hopefully nobody gets get in the Scam.

[creaturecat]

Originally Posted by Canine64

Beware. This car is a scam according to posters on RL.

good to know.
perhaps i should report them to the authorities.

[techweenie]

The RSA has always been a mystery to me. I've seen people advertising them for sale and pointing out with pride that theirs have sunroofs and air conditioning -- the very things removed (with great impact on the window sticker pricing) to save weight.

[cvlcporsche]

Originally Posted by techweenie

The RSA has always been a mystery to me. I've seen people advertising them for sale and pointing out with pride that theirs have sunroofs and air conditioning -- the very things removed (with great impact on the window sticker pricing) to save weight.

+1 I laugh too, my RSA is what one should be: no sunroof, no AC and factory LSD!

[JordanPryce]

Originally Posted by techweenie

The RSA has always been a mystery to me. I've seen people advertising them for sale and pointing out with pride that theirs have sunroofs and air conditioning -- the very things removed (with great impact on the window sticker pricing) to save weight.

I understand your thoughts, but the regular C2 had something like 40+ available options. My RSA is a sunroof, LSD, AC car. It's not totally bare, but it is raw without soundproofing and power steering, no arm rests, cruise control, rear wiper, heated mirrors, power mirrors, trip computer, leather etc. Drive one for 30 minutes and you will understand. It's loud, harsh, direct and purposeful. More importantly, every 911 since has been more bloated with features, creature comforts, electronic nannies, and gag...cup holders.

[CountD]

Originally Posted by techweenie

The RSA has always been a mystery to me. I've seen people advertising them for sale and pointing out with pride that theirs have sunroofs and air conditioning -- the very things removed (with great impact on the window sticker pricing) to save weight.

Mystery to me as well. If the above post is to be believed, then you could add options (or take away) from a RS, but then again you can add or take away from a normal C2 as well, so I really don't understand what the hype is. A RS America is no more a RS than a new Mini is an old Mini Cooper...it just seems a marketing gimmick and a nod to the glorious (and important) past. Not that I don't respect them, but I don't think a RS America is any more raw than something like an '89 Carrera, and certainly not a RS.

[JordanPryce]

Originally Posted by CountD

\A RS America is no more a RS than a new Mini is an old Mini Cooper

I'm sorry, but this is a ridiculous statement. The 964 wasn't a "retro styled" car like the new Mini, Mustang, Camaro etc. The 964 has more in common with the original than any 911 after it. IMHO it was the last of the "classic" 911's. The 993 went into another direction with it's styling, followed by the water-coolers.

Yes, you can strip any C2 and get the same effect, and yes, the RSA was a tribute to the original RS, but the fact remains, it was the last of the classic era factory built lightweights. They only made 701 of them, and whether you like it or not, or understand it or not, they have their own VIN sequence and are not simply an option delete C2.

I think it's crazy that Ferrari Dinos are trading at $300k plus, but it's not those who don't understand a car that create the market demand, it's those who do. They made more than 20,000 964 C2 coupes and look at how hard it is to find a good one. (When you do they are running over 30k these days). Of the 701 made, I'd guess there are 400 or so RSA's remaining, maybe 1/3 of those which are unmolested, and I'm willing to bet that there are many, many more interested buyers than there are available cars.

[CountD]

I guess what we are all getting at is that originally, the RS concept was a lightweight at any and all costs. When additions such as AC, sunroof, etc, etc get added it goes against everything the original RS was intended to be - a lightweight.

When you have a basic platform of a car, and all its stripped out things stripped out to make it a so-called RS, then add these things to me it defeats the purpose and it's another 964 with less options and some added (and a decal).

Obviously we are going to agree to disagree and you are going to argue for your car, which is why you own it and why you bought it. But realistically, how much different is your car to a stock 964 Carrera 2 vs. a stock '70s 911s to the real RS? The real RS is a different car, was meant to be, and was serious in every aspect and is special - like the Dino and why a clean Dino is about the same as a real RS.

And as far as the Dino market goes, they have been desirable and there are more people that want them and they are willing to pay (as the prices show) so the prices shown are what the market is. No way you can compare a 964 RS America to a Dino, and just because you can't understand the market doesn't mean other people do not. As far as me understanding the 964 RS America market, one car going way over the norm is an anomaly and a conundrum, just as a 964 RS America trying to be a real RS is.

[65rsr]

The C2,with a few key parts added and a few taken away, quickly becomes an RSA. An RSA, easily becomes a Cup Car, which can morph into a 3.8 Cup Car, then a full on RSR, even a GT2. Radial tires, big brakes, reliable, international work horse. It's the early / mid 90's 911, 911s, RST, RS, RSR evolution that owned GT racing in it's time.