911 Carrera 3.0

[thamlin000]

Went and looked at a 77 911 Carrera 3.0 coupe. It is LHD and ROW (of course!). It was a daily driver for many years but it has not run in the past year. Owner thinks it's a fuel pump issue.

It is 100 percent complete and appears stock. Whale tail and cookie cutters. It is white (Looks like the same Grand Prix white from my old 993) with black interior. No visible rust up top or below. Black window and door handle trim. H4s. No sunroof. No major dents or dings. Sheep skins covering seats that need to be redone according to the owner. Plastic dash cap. Stock 3 spoke steering wheel and shift knob. 180 mph speedo. 1980s cassette player radio. Unknown mileage.

Really nice car that needs a little work to make a fun weekend car.

Car is not for sale currently, but might be in the future. I really like this car. Now I need to figure out a budget, if the car is even attainable.

What's the rough market value on this car currently?

[timchar]

I will take a stab... not running is a big negative and if it was only a fuel pump, its likely it would have already been fixed. Without seeing pics and only having minimal information, I would say a range from 11-16 k+. Owner would be wise to throw a fuel pump on it and see if it fixes problem. If it was running good and you actually knew mileage and good PPI, would probably be in the low 20'S. Good luck, Tim

[Colour me gone]

I have two Carrera's and 87 targa and an 81 coupe like the one you are looking at. My 81 is moss green and a 3.0. I found it in a field and pulled out of the field and took it home. Now I'm an amateur for sure but I have a close friend who is a Porsche mechanic. With the 3.0 engine if the crank will turn chances are it will fire up. The gas should be drained and see if the pump works. If all that works change the oil and chances are it will start. I have mine about 90% completed and I paid $7K cdn. I know it was a steal but if it's not running ? The worst the guy could say is no? You can always come up but you can't go down? Good luck they're a great car and a rising commodity in the market

[pu911]

I sold a basket case 3.0 targa earlier this year on ebay for $16k, so I'd say low $20's if owner understands what car is. Unless the 3.0 is something special to you I'd buy a running SC.
Phil

[euro1984]

At least 25k if its running but rough. Very special and rare car. A good one is worth 50k plus easy.

[sm70911]

Very limited production, and hugely desirable right now. Do you know how much history and how many owners ? Check out John D Glynns blog Porsche 911 Carrera 3.0 for really good information, and he tells you the significant details you should be checking for. His site is also a yardstick for C3 prices in Europe. I think the white over black with black trim and original tale, gauges sounds fantastic, and is a great combo for these rare & sought after cars.

Its a long shot but please PM me if you pass on the car. I will happily pay a finders fee.

[wpgt3cup]

Great car to restore. I've restored 3 cars now from the ground up. Estimate a cost then double that and u will be close to what you will really spend. You'll find the deeper you get into it, the more you will justify reasons to do it right and do it all. The good thing is you will have a valuable car in the end that will continue to appreciate in value so don't skimp and don't rush to get done.
I spent 18 months restoring my cup car 8 years ago and was way upside down. Now it's worrh more than twice what I have in it

Good luck Post pics

[thamlin000]

Thanks for everyone's input. This is a nice car and garage kept. It's dusty and not currently running but has a long term PCA owner who has cared for it.

SM- I did see the Carrera3 website when I was doing some research. It's tough to figure the value of these cars in US dollars vs Euro since most cars are in Europe.

With so few of these cars in the US, I can't find any recent sales within the past 6-12 mo. I'd figure the value of a Carrera 3.0 is between a US Carrera 2.7 and ROW Carrera 2.7. Does that sound correct?

[techweenie]

There are so few out there that pinning a price is tough.

I think euro1984 is closest to the answer I'd feel comfortable with.

[77Targa0912]

Don't listen to the fools that claim it's just an early SC and value it at those prices. Example a nice driver is $25-35k.

$20-25,000 minimum non running. I've got one in storage waiting for me to start the restoration in January. Once the car you're looking at is running it could be worth $30-50k "as is."

Examples that are well sorted with good history, excellent cosmetics, and fresh mechanicals are closing in on six figures.

[wpgt3cup]

I just acquired a really nice low mileage 80' SC that I'm storing in the warehousw. The SC is one of the best Porache's ever made IMO and they are currently under priced

[awdbandito]

If you can buy it at a reasonable price, buy it.
As was stated above, a Carrera 3.0 is pretty rare, even more so in the states. They are phenomenal cars and are different than an SC. I sold mine for $18k about 5 years ago after previous accident damage and a few minor issues were identified during a PPI. My original asking price was $25k or so. It would be an easy $30k car today.

[NYNick]

SC's are getting close to $30K these days(almost). A nice original 3.0 has to be 25 to 30% higher than that.

[thamlin000]

All-
You guys provide great information. When I started this thread, due to the rarity, I thought Carrera 3.0s were closer to ROW Carrera 2.7 values and well above US Carrera 2.7 values (which all seem very high in today's market).

Several folks said $30-50k running, so I think this looks like a good baseline.

Now I'll need wait for the owner to get serious about selling. I know that it's a special car and the owner knows that it's a special car. Now I have a better idea of approximate value. Thanks again.

[iluv911]

I have 3.0 carrera Coupe that i will be selling- 77 has original motor- Its orig. color is Silver but now red. Will need paint- runs great 35k

[wpgt3cup]

Originally Posted by iluv911

I have 3.0 carrera Coupe that i will be selling- 77 has original motor- Its orig. color is Silver but now red. Will need paint- runs great 35k

GLWS and hope you get your price as it will justify what I paid for my 80' SC

[77Targa0912]

I have 3.0 carrera Coupe that i will be selling- 77 has original motor- Its orig. color is Silver but now red. Will need paint- runs great 35k

A track prepped Carrera 3.0 coupe sold for $48k a few months ago on eBay. the interior was stripped and the bumpers changed to RS parts.

Am I wrong that if it was all original with a great running motor it would fetch $60,000?

[iluv911]

Someone that does paintwork should buy my 3.0 Carrera- Original color is silver! painted and detailed will be worth easy 60-75k .

[euro1984]

Originally Posted by iluv911

Someone that does paintwork should buy my 3.0 Carrera- Original color is silver! painted and detailed will be worth easy 60-75k .

Constructive feedback:

You need more photos in focus. Also photos of interior and underside etc. Show all stock parts and books.

Proper re-paint and detail is 15k plus easy assuming the cars needs nothing else.

[blau911]

Just to add some perspective in this discussion...
I don't own a horse in this race, but as a conditioned skeptic, I tend look at a car's performance relative to similar cars built by the factory during that time period.

Many here talk up the performance of the Carrera3.0 over the mid year impact cars of the 70's, and that is true. But when comparing the Carrera3.0 cars to the 911SC which first hit the German market in late 1977, I look at the Carrera3.0 simply as a late mid year car with a "Euro" 3.0SC motor in it, and very little more.
When considering the disaster that the 2.7 motors turned out to be for Porsche between 74-77, one could even look at the Carrera3.0 simply as a 911SC test car that the Porsche factory wanted to road test on a limited basis for a while before rolling out production on a larger scale.

Here are the performance numbers. In all but a few, a Euro 911SC (204hp as compared to the Carrera3.0 200hp) has very similar numbers. Of course, the 78-80 911SC US cars with only 180hp pale in comparison to the Carrera3.0. But the Germans have typically given performance preference their own country first, and the Carrera3.0 was never offered to the US market, so the real comparison should be with the Euro SC with 204HP.
Furthermore, since the Carrera3.0 was a limited production car only made available to the Euro market 1 1/2 years before the first 911SC cars were released in the euro market in 1977, other than the cool looking script on the rear decklid, I don't see the Carrera3.0 as anything more than an early Euro 911SC - as opposed to some special order Porsche factory sanctioned rally car as some would have the market believe. Limited production, dealer hyperbole (and inventory), and groups of proud and outspoken owners are what primarily push prices in the collector car market. But if the Carrera3.0 is worth more, the cheaper and just as a enjoyable option would seem to be a Euro 911SC for future collectability.
Just something to consider....

911 SC vs 911 Carrera 3.0 : Battle 5779

Power
Porsche 911 SC 204 PS @ 5900
Porsche 911 Carrera 3.0 200 PS @ 6000
Torque
Porsche 911 SC 265 Nm @ 4300
Porsche 911 Carrera 3.0 255 Nm @ 4200

Weight/Power ratio :
Porsche 911 SC 6.2 kg/PS
Porsche 911 Carrera 3.0 6 kg/PS


Max Real Speed (in kph)
Porsche 911 SC 226 to 241 kph
Porsche 911 Carrera 3.0 2ЗƼ kph

Km (in s.)

0 to 60 (in s.) Kph as default unit
Porsche 911 SC 2‚7 to З‚2 s.
Porsche 911 Carrera 3.0 2‚Ƽ to 2‚Ƽ s.

0 to 100 (in s.) Kph as default unit
Porsche 911 SC Ƽ‚9 to 7‚З s.
Porsche 911 Carrera 3.0 6‚1 to 6‚2 s.

0 to 140 (in s.) Kph as default unit
Porsche 911 SC 10‚8 to 1З‚9 s.
Porsche 911 Carrera 3.011‚З s.

0 to 200 (in s.) Kph as default unit
Porsche 911 SC 26‚З to З6‚8 s.
Porsche 911 Carrera 3.0 27‚9 s.

Measures (at real speed) from car magazines : Auto Hebdo, Echappement, Action Auto Moto, Sport Auto, Auto Motor & Sport, Auto Zeitung, Estimated data ZePerfs & performance claimed