Porsche Mission E To Destroy The Tesla Model S On Track

[Luccia at Pelican Parts]

Sources say that the Tesla may win in a straight line, but the Porsche Mission E is being developed for optimal track day performance and cooling. It is equipped with a quick-charge cooling system, which is a single liquid-cooling system that controls and regulates battery temperatures. The battery will never exceed 185 degrees Fahrenheit, but the motor can and will perform just fine above that.

Porsche understands that waiting several minutes for the battery to cool off in between track runs won’t be acceptable for many buyers. What’s the point of a track day if one is constantly being interrupted by their EV’s battery needing some cool off time? Porsche has clearly done its homework and this technological advancement will serve it well especially once its Formula E racing team gets into action next year.

What are your thoughts about the Mission E vs. the Tesla S on track?




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[GH85Carrera]

I just can’t see much market for a track car. Great commuter car, but I wonder if any electric car car run a 20 minute session like most track days DE in PCA? I can use a 1/4 tank of gas in short order on track with a lot of Wide Open Throttle time.

[Laneco]

That is startlingly beautiful....

angela

[javadog]

I've owned more that 40 cars in my life. A fourth of those have been Porsches. I have absolutely zero interest in one of these.

[Tervuren]

Originally Posted by GH85Carrera

I just can’t see much market for a track car. Great commuter car, but I wonder if any electric car car run a 20 minute session like most track days DE in PCA? I can use a 1/4 tank of gas in short order on track with a lot of Wide Open Throttle time.

The biggest advantage with electric is you can race in places where you would otherwise be banned based on noise.

There may be important famous world circuits that for noise regulation can't offer track days anymore; they may be limited to just their race dates by law.

With an all electric track day, they could operate without pissing off the non car culture in the locale.

[kach22i]

2015
https://europeluxurycars.com/luxuria/electric-cars/match-on-tesla-model-s-vs-porsche-mission-e


Both handsome cars.

Two cars that may never meet up on the track outside of a magazine article.

[David]

I'm going to do my best not to buy another car for a few years. If the MissionE is all they claim it will be, it will be on my short list for a new car when the time comes.

[legion]

I'm sure that the Porsche will be a better execution of the concept than the Tesla. I'm also sure that it's price will reflect the true cost of the technology.

[GH85Carrera]

Originally Posted by Tervuren

The biggest advantage with electric is you can race in places where you would otherwise be banned based on noise.

There may be important famous world circuits that for noise regulation can't offer track days anymore; they may be limited to just their race dates by law.

With an all electric track day, they could operate without pissing off the non car culture in the locale.

Mufflers have been around a LONG time. A turbocharged muffled car can be as quiet as the air intake and just make a whoosh sound out the tailpipe. And it can spend hours on the track with no recharging.

[ckelly78z]

I love the look of the new Porsche Mission "E", very slippery. I don't like the idea of an electric only (no backup) motor, with limited range when fully engaged at WOT.

[stealthn]

Sadly the mission E doesn’t look nearly as nice as that concept

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by stealthn

Sadly the mission E doesn’t look nearly as nice as that concept

Please post photos.

I cannot find any big differences, not even on the official Porsche website.

Found this article from a day ago.

https://carbuzz.com/news/porsche-mission-e-will-destroy-the-tesla-model-s-at-the-track

And found this with pictures.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.engadget.com/amp/2017/10/04/porsche-mission-e-spotted-testing/

Focusing on the Porsche itself, though, the design does appear to have been toned down significantly. The ultra-low hood and extra-tall fenders of the concept have been raised and lowered respectively for a much less dramatic nose. The bulging fenders have also been constrained a bit.

[stealthn]

Lots out there, no suicide doors, looks like a Panamera

https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/4/16418658/porsche-mission-e-electric-photos-tesla

[kach22i]

Thanks, It didn't look that changed from the rear quarter view. That front/side view is lame.

[David]

I don't mind the lack of suicide doors as long as it's smaller than the Panamera.

[widebody911]

I view this as irrelevant breathless shillbot clickbait: a tried-and-true, mass-production 4 door vs a vaporware concept car?

Oh yeah? Well my imaginary supercar "destroys" the Toyota Prius by doing the Kessel run in under 12 parsecs. See how easy that was?

And if you have to say (and pay people to say) that your new <product> will be the <established product>-killer, it won't. Sad!

[svandamme]

I can't be interested if it has 4 doors and 4 seats.
Everytime i see an hybrid or EV SUV or 4 door saloon I see a failure.

Most cars and definately most Porsches are driven most of the time without 4 people on board.

So why design their concept car with 2 seats that won't be used anyway.
It means a waste of space, waste of materials to decorate that space and more weight and volume.

Build it more compact, narrower and put some of the weight gained in more autonomie
more compact means skinnier tires will do the trick, less weight there as well, and smaller tires are better for the milage as well.

If more grip is needed, but active aero on the thing. could even be assymetric, think 917 winglets that were suspension activated.

Cars are too damned big and heavy. as it is. EV 's should be made smaller then the combustion cars, not the same size or bigger.

[AFC-911]

Still not completely undisguised. Have to wait & see.

[kach22i]

Originally Posted by svandamme

I can't be interested if it has 4 doors and 4 seats.
Everytime i see an hybrid or EV SUV or 4 door saloon I see a failure.

Most cars and definately most Porsches are driven most of the time without 4 people on board..........

I hear what you are saying, but they have the market studies and they are going for the volume sales.

Same reason there will be a 4-door Ford Bronco and why Jeep Wrangler 4-Door outsells the 2-door 2:1 (or so I've heard).

Markets and actual occupancy data conflict.

We could have +90% of all vehicles on the road as light weight tandem 2-seaters, but they just will not sell - people always want more, and plan for the worst case, not the typical case. As long as we can afford to do so we will not be driving post WWII Messerschmitt's.

https://energy.gov/eere/vehicles/fact-613-march-8-2010-vehicle-occupancy-rates


Messerschmitt KR200
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_KR200

Production of the KR200 was heavily reduced in 1962 and ceased in 1964[11] as sales had been dropping for a few years. The demand for basic economical transport in Germany had diminished as the German economy boomed.[12] A similar situation developed in other parts of Europe such as in the manufacturer's biggest export destination, the United Kingdom, where sales were particularly affected by the increasing popularity of the Mini.

[svandamme]

Originally Posted by kach22i

I hear what you are saying, but they have the market studies and they are going for the volume sales.

Wrong, they are going for bigger markup.

I would buy a smaller car for my daily driving, it's just that BMW doesn't make one smaller with RWD..

in fact the 1 series got bigger over the years, I wish they hadn't, the first one was the best I had.

The problem is that the car manufactures market 2 seaters as premium and more exclusive , you know, as sports cars... So they charge more for those.

They don't cost more to make.
But they get a better margin on them.

If they now start making 2 seater regular cars, they would destroy their premium 2 seater game.

The market is there, they just don't want to market that market.