[asphaltgambler]

Two key points in reviewing this discussion is the lack of motivation as a generational curse. IE: growing up and depending on Federal / State assistance. Also missing is the work ethic instilled by growing up on a farm, or other hard means of survival. Its something for me that I completely identify with - its a generational...blessing.

I understand that in modern times, successful people come from all types of backgrounds. At an early age kids will learn one way or the wrong way from their environment. From my experiences, like SammyG - lots of things very difficult to overcome in helping someone who won't help themselves.