[asphaltgambler]

Some good feedback..........thanks. Since posting this thread, discussing it with my wife - I think a lot of kids today are not lazy, but lack the environment that I(most of us) grew up in where if you wanted something you worked for it. Even at 12 or so, I got my "Kid Hustle" on. Which is exactly how I describe it to all of them.

With limited skills, transportation, resources figure out what you can do to make money, be self sufficient, do something positive with your time - it's rewarding.

At 12 and 15 this translates (for them in this case) to mowing, weed-eating, cleaning, etc. Then I encourage them to develop skills where they excel. I tell them everyone starts somewhere, the beginning, make it count.

Possibly they are too young, especially at 12 for this pair - they have great parents but they're not 'pushing' them so to speak to do some work during their free time this Summer.

I do have work to do, they understand that. I stress that there is a lot to do, but more important that we do each small job at a time, understand why and how - I don't care how long it takes.

After thinking about this, I'm taking a break for a few Saturday's from them - while I gather my thoughts and decide about how to move forward.