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Originally Posted by Cobalt

The 964 coupe and targa are quite rare compared to the other air cooled 911's. All the info published is incorrect as everyone counted 60 cars too many per vin number MY etc for both US & ROW cars. Porsche clarified that in their classics book I believe second volume.

That makes roughly 5170 US spec coupes both C2/C4 tip and manual made and far less targas. These were the ugly duckling for a long time and so many were used and abused, crashed and parted out. Very few remain and finding a car without stories is not so easy and these are becoming pricey to maintain.

Singers are way overpriced for what they offer. It is all about the status with them and a well setup and modified 964 can easily give you the fun without the fluff for a fraction of the cost. Good luck finding them for less than MSRP unless you like a project.

Originally Posted by alexl911

I agree with everything you said but at the same time the it makes no sense that 964's are valued higher than an equally specc'd and similar condition 993. 993's have all the same attributes AND were improved in all the right areas. Other than styling, which is highly subjective, no one can argue that one or the other is better looking, therefore I believe that 964's will (and should) drop just as 993's did. Note, this applies to 'driver' level cars and not to ultra low mileage or special editions.

As noted by Trader220, supply and demand plays a big role in the current 964/993 price disparity. 993’s were coveted immediately after they were introduced and for the most part a large majority were well cared for and not used as daily drivers so there are far more nice 993’s available for sale. 964’s were the red headed step child with reasons noted below, not exactly vetted when they were introduced so many were abused, destroyed, heavily modified and thus a low production runs combined with this past has resulted in very little good supply.

Originally Posted by SalParadise

As I said many times before the 964 was a test bed mule that was never, ever fully developed because: 1) The entire world economy had tanked, 2) Porsche was in very dire financial straits that they sold so few cars in the USA that they actually considered pulling out of the US altogether, and 3) The amount of new DOT/EPA requirements heaped on such a small company as Porsche was too much.

The Carrera 4 is somewhat an icon, but as you know they were in the "Where are they now?" territory as recent as 2012. Any 964 was and is rare because the early motors made the 2.7 engine look reliable. The first 1989 Carrera 4 I drove had less than a couple hundred on it and it was being returned to the dealer with oil leaks.

When I first visited the factory in December of 1992 it was such a sullen place that the workers on the lines were very, very tired and quite cranky. The guy I met at the factory was actually much more excited about the Mercedes Benz 500E that they were building and was launched for only one year when I got there, and that the same 500E was built in the same hall as the 959. They were very excited about this. They were as excited about building the 964 as the 944 it seemed.

With that said, I was never a 964 fan, and I cannot understand it having driven several. If they were reasonable, maybe I'd get a Carrera 4. But at the end of the day there are far better options than any 964 (think 993) that I can think of in a minute.

What you bring up is likely the primary reasons that the 964 was unloved. The first couple of years of production was generally still being developed and issues resolved. By late 1991 Porsche seemed to get a handle on the issues and subsequent cars were much improved. Having said that I think what has changed since then is that any remaining cars have had the leaking and other issues resolved. More importantly when you combine the 964 with more modern dampers and spring technology the result is a very cohesive and incredibly fun/involving car to drive. This combined with the old school feel of the 964 makes it attractive to some buyers as compared to the 993.

It really comes down to preference, performance is irrelevant as all modern Porsches are better choices.