[asphaltgambler]

We need some professional help in training our Collie. The problem ( if you call it that) is he's very strong willed, very intelligent..........almost too intelligent.

We are blessed that in our immediate area - lots of 'professional' trainers.

1 is Off Leash - which is a national franchise, that we know the results of 2 people my wife works with which were very good. They use a shock collar 'system' that appearantly is very effective.

The goal is to have have him off leash, in our yard ( over an acre) and in public.

We are definitely seeking pro help here, I see it as an investment over the long haul. Most of the training is $650 to $1000 for 1 on 1- with possible additional or refresher classes if needed. The pricing and time seem to be equal BTW for any of the systems.

So anyone here have direct experience? Or with possibly with different methods?

Here's where Collies differ. They are very sensitive emotionally, intuitive to what's going on with the 'pack' around them - so I want control over his spur-of-the-moment impulses with-out killing his giant personality and spirit.