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Originally Posted by pwd72s

No electronics needed. Who doesn't watch the cross street lights, waiting for them to turn yellow? That's when I put the clutch in and shift to first gear. I'm usually in neutral at red lights. When it turns green, I'll pause a bit to be sure nobody is running a red. Hopefully not so long a horn doesn't sound behind me.

It used to be called defensive driving...

Exactly, I either watch the light for the cross street or when there's a crosswalk, that's often easier to see since many/most lights these days have some sort of shroud which makes them tough to see at an angle.

But I can tell you that based on my observations, you and I must be in the minority. I see people all of the time that start the inch forward as if they think the light is about to turn when it's no where near turning.