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Originally Posted by Chocaholic
Would be interesting to check your PARF post count vs mine Corgi. Just sayin’. Jeff is surely close behind. Pot calling kettle black again.
Jeff...you could have simply ignored my comments if you felt they weren’t relevant. But the whole school marm gig makes you look like a bigger ass than you really are...perhaps. My comments were meant with sincerity yet you just couldn’t resist, as usual. That’s what my 3...2...1...was about. Only a matter of time before you lose control again and lash out.
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"Lash out" - I love it. You use that accusation a lot - along with accusing those who disagree with you of "ranting", when they are not. It's like a shield you hide behind when you are incapable of any sort of a reasoned response.
So, no, I did not "lash out". Nor did I "rant" (before you go there as well) about anything. I simply (and politely) asked you if you could please stick to the topics at hand. I don't think that's unreasonable. Apparently you do, judging from the nature of your playground level responses.
So, again, adults are having a discussion here. Do you have anything to contribute?
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Originally Posted by Tobra
By "disagree" do you mean to say we have not had a deterioration of morality? Do you mean to say that there has not been a deterioration of the family unit, or that the criminal justice issues are not secondary to the destruction of the family unit? Do you mean to say that life has not been devalued in our society, or that life has been devalued, but it has nothing to do with the increase in violent crime.
You talk about prison reform being the answer. I suggest that societal reform and addressing the why they are criminals would maybe be a more efficient use of resources.
You seriously don't think that going from 80% of kids born to two parent families in the 1960s to 80% single mothers now has nothing to do with it?
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Oh, no, I'm sorry Tobra, I probably wasn't all that clear about what I was trying to say.
Yes, absolutely, I agree with everything you say. I was merely trying to say that we had no shortage of very bad people before this level of societal decay we are now experiencing. So, yes, while agree it's a huge contributing factor, all I was trying to say is that it is not the only contributing factor.
So, yes, indeed - we can "fix" some of this by addressing the societal factors contributing to it. I have acknowledged that many times over the course of this discussion. But I am saying we cannot "fix" all of it in this manner. I'm saying there are people out there that are beyond our help, no matter how hard we try. I'm saying we need to work up the courage to deal with them, decisively, once and for all.
Open for debate, of course, is just how we identify them as such.