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If you wait until they are old enough to do community service, make work jobs, they are already ruined. When they are about 9 or 10, plow up the back yard in the spring and give them some seeds and fertilzer. Give them enough food to last a month...and tell them that is the last you will buy until winter (when they start cutting wood). See if they are smart and industrious enough to survive.
Take away the TV, video games and the bicycle (make them walk). Don't let them use the lights in the house unless to read a book.
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