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Originally Posted by Macroni
I do not agree with this logic.... size of the motor has nothing to do with entertainment value or resale value..... actually the most valuable Porsche's have the smallest motors...... 67Rs that are 2.0L sell for as much as $5,000,000. and are a full on hoot to drive a 10/10ths.
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Originally Posted by Matt Monson
It's not the engine. A 2.5 marketed as an "ST" spec build gets plenty of panties in a bunch. I was gonna build one until this supertec 2.8 fell in my lap.
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I think these two comments are worth considering.
One of the beefs Ive got with the new crowd in the 911 world is that many have been influenced by what sells in the muscle car world, and that has transferred over to this market, which to me is the opposite of what Porsche giant killers were about to begin with.
It used to be that a magnesium case engine and a mag case early 915 transmission where the hot setup! A 911T engine had steel cylinders and cooling fins while an S had alloy jugs. This was one of the things that made an S special. more power and lighter weight. It was all part of the Porsche theme dating back to the 550 spyder, and that why Porsches were special. They did more with less.
Even the factory move to A turbo was more with less. Rather than add cubes, add boost.
That baby turbo 2.0 was the shape of things to come power wise.
The least weight in the back end with the most power to weight ratio was where it was at, but things changed.
For the track rat builder, the 7R case was the upgrade to have to build a strong motor with more power if you were pushing 2.7 or 2.8 displacement, . Still light but stronger casting.
Before that a 2.5 if you started with a 2.0 or 2.4
But 2.7 started to get a bad rap because of the stock 2.7 street car that baked its engine unless the exhaust was changed. A 2.7 was a VERY good engine but people heard from someone who heard for someone that they weren't
Then the evolution started when you could buy a nice 3.0 from a rotted SC, and, although it was a compromise, it gave good power without adding too much weight, at a much more favorable price than rebuilding a worn out 2.x engine.
Fast forward and a big heavy (comparatively) lump of a 3.6 ends up in an early car with even more additional weight up high in the induction/fuel system
So, the belief seems to be the every hotrod now needs a 3.6!
So, you get comments by people like Alan A that are completely accurate in their assessment of what people expect.
But you take offense to it because you know the value of what you really have, the value that the market does not recognize unless you spell out to them.
But you have to spell it out in your marketing, not in traditional muscle car ways
You need to re-educate the big engine buyer in a positive way.
tell them what they are looking at (not your build, but what that build evokes.)
Appeal to their emotions Paint the picture in for them.
Matt is on to something.
Just like when I was finding the direction for my build and then discovered that my car was a 73 (and I thought RSRs were 1972 but were actually 73), I had to build mine with as much guidance form the factory 73 as I could.
So how does this relate to the car discussed in this thread?
Yours is a giant killer.
In the right hands, it will give a 3.6 a run for it s money and then some.
its bragging rights for a good driver.
Its the underdog in the david and goliath story
a story thats been told again and again on the racetracks rallies and hillclimbs of the world.
I'd start with which model originally had the rare 2.5.
To Matts point, market the car as a 2.5. Everything evolves around that fantastic 2.5. The 2.5 engine that dominated the race tracks in period. This car is a tribute to that period. It needs a few period influences, even if they are only words in an ad.
Its not a mongrel. Its a purebred giant killer. Market it as such.
Your car is not just some underpowered mongrel bitsa Porsche
Your car is a very special tribute!
...but you haven't let people know that properly yet!
Talk about Rs
Talk about Ss
Talk about STs
Cases in point: (I don't know why the videos are not embedding properly but worth a look)
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More than a mere race car, it was one of the camera cars for the movie The Speed Merchants. Lost for years, it was tracked down, saved from the junkyard, and restored. Christophorus presents the rich history of a 911 ST 2.5.
https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/christophorus/issue-383/porsche-911-st-2-5-the-speed-merchants-targa-florio-michael-keyser-juergen-barth-14285.html
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