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Tell us, what have you seen to change your mind?
Italy; ventilating a lot of the patients prone (face down). This is the last gasp before you give up or start ECMO (extra-corporal membrane oxygenation..artificial lung). Having one or two patients being ventilated prone is a bad day in ICU, have all your patients prone is unheard of. Over 60? not even considered for ICU.

UK and parts of USA; you hear things from (Australian) colleagues working overseas.. We thought it'd be just the oldies (60 plus) who'd get into trouble. It's not. There's 40s and even 30s in the ICUs, and not doing well.

China; the only thing we trust about the information coming out of China is not to trust it. Sometimes statistics are just too accurate to be true. No noise in your stats? None? Not real stats.

The Disease itself; Not just respiratory failure.

ICU Staffing; About 24% of our ICU nurses have school age kids. What happens if / when the schools close? They stay at home to look after their kids. Ward nurses are great, but they're not ICU nurses and you can't train an ICU nurse overnight.

(And other chatter I'm not going to talk about. Feel free to dismiss that if you want, I can understand that.)

In the words of my daughter; "**** mum, I've never seen Dad scared before".

Some perspective; Mortality rate is probably going to be 2%.
Some more perspective; Monaco Formula 1 crowd size, about, say, 200,000.
Would you go if you thought a bomb was going to go off that would cause 20,000 minor injuries and 4000 deaths. Or would that worry you?
2% seems a small number, until you apply that to a very large number; those who are going to get this thing.
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