[wayner]

Fundamentally I agree with everything you are saying, and for the most part I like to think that people behaving badly can learn from their mistakes and be given a second chance.

The people who do not get the courtesy of a third chance are at the extreme end of the scale, not normal, dangerous heartless soul sucking vampires who are incapable of change and are masters of manipulation

Let me ask you, would you ever advise a woman who showed up at your door with a broken nose and two black eyes for the tenth time to give her abuser another chance? Or to sit across the dinner table from her rapist?

But yet we think nothing of giving the same advice to a person who has suffered mental abuse, partially because we don’t see the injuries and partially because of a naive belief that ALL people can change, or perhaps really didn’t mean it.

My only real point that I am arguing against in this thread is the advice to extend love no matter what because they are family

Sometimes perhaps, but in other extreme cases, get the heck out of that relationship and never look back