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The 1918 Spanish flu was caused by the H1N1 virus of supposed Avian origin. It was thought to have originated at Fort Riley Kansas with infected soldiers.

Increased death rate was a result of over dosing patients with aspirin thought to alleviate symptoms. Medical professionals advised patients to take up to 30 grams per day, a dose now known to be toxic. (For comparison’s sake, the medical consensus today is that doses above four grams are unsafe.) Symptoms of aspirin poisoning include hyperventilation and pulmonary edema, or the buildup of fluid in the lungs, and it’s now believed that many of the October deaths were actually caused or hastened by aspirin poisoning.

Since 1918, there have been several other influenza pandemics, although none as deadly. A flu pandemic from 1957 to 1958 killed around 2 million people worldwide, including some 70,000 people in the United States, and a pandemic from 1968 to 1969 killed approximately 1 million people, including some 34,000 Americans.
More than 12,000 Americans perished during the H1N1 (or “swine flu”) pandemic that occurred from 2009 to 2010.

SARS is a corona virus (SARS-CoV). Horseshoe bats were identified as the natural reservoir.

MERS is a corona virus (MERS-CoV). Contact with dromedary camels is the most common route of infection.

Influenza A (H1N1) is similar to seasonal influenza but has been characterized by higher activity during the northern summer season, higher fatality rates among healthy young adults and higher incidence of viral pneumonia.

Infectious disease expert Richard P. Wenzel, M.D., chair emeritus and professor of the Department of Internal Medicine at Virginia Commonwealth University’s School of Medicine states: All corona viruses — SARS, MERS and COVID-19 — are transmitted from bats with a secondary host. In SARS it was a cat, in MERS it was a camel, and COVID-19 is a pangolin, which is prized for its meat and used for traditional medicine in China. H1N1 was a hybrid from birds and cows.

Corona viruses are CONSTANTLY circumnavigating the globe. They have been forever.
Scientists have divided corona viruses into four sub-groupings, called alpha, beta, gamma, and delta. Seven of these viruses can infect people. The four common ones are:
• 229E (alpha)
• NL63 (alpha)
• OC43 (beta)
• HKU1 (beta)

The three less-common ones are:
• MERS-CoV, a beta virus that causes Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS)
• SARS-CoV, a beta virus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)
• SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19

Taking a step back in 1918 H1N1 they blamed the birds.

In 1957 we had the Asian flu (H2N2). The birds got the shaft with a mix of humans thrown in.

In 1968 we had the Hong Kong flu (H2N2) which is thought to have given rise to (H3N2) version. The birds got reprieve this time around. It could not be (H2N2) again so it became (H3N2).

In 2009 H1N1 (was Porkys fault this time)

The H3N2 virus that caused the 1968 pandemic is still in circulation today and is considered to be a strain of seasonal influenza. In the 1990s a closely related H3N2 virus was isolated from pigs. (Note isolated and now called Swine Flu).

The first flu virus isolated from pigs was influenza A H1N1 in 1930. This virus is a subtype of influenza that is named for the composition of the proteins hemagglutinin (H) and neuraminidase (N) that form its viral coat.

Since the 1930s three other subtypes of flu viruses also have been isolated from pigs, including H1N2, H3N1, and H3N2. The emergence of H3N2 in pigs occurred in the late 1990s and is suspected of having been transmitted to pigs from humans. Porky gets the shaft again.

So how can all these be related? Because they are. Many are one in the same but have mutagenic attributes or antigenic alterations. Offspring if you will. Someone discovers a new virus and it's called something new like Microsoft Windows. The original would be DOS, then NT then 95, 98, etc.

In 1976 Fort Dix army base had an outbreak.

Going back to Fort Riley in December 1917 a medical corp. was established specializing in epidemiology under Maj. Charles S. Williamson. Many of the troops came from the farms where they had never come in contact with contagious diseases. The most serious outbreak was meningitis. Several years previously, Kansas had had a meningitis epidemic due to human carriers, and research was completed under the direction of the Rockefeller Foundation. At one time Fort Riley had over 800 cases of mumps, there was measles, smallpox, diphtheria, and every conceivable contagious disease.

Fort Riley coincidently also had a veterinary surgery center.

Fort Riley other than enlisted or officer medical staff had a first of contract physicians, and contract nurses. ( again Rockefeller Foundation financing and indoctrination)
Construction of a new station was completed in 1942 and consisted of 84 buildings in grid (containment layout).

The latest news on the Porky virus:

When multiple strains of influenza viruses infect the same pig, they can easily swap genes, a process known as “reassortment.” The new study, published today in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, focuses on an influenza virus dubbed G4. The virus is a unique blend of three lineages: one similar to strains found in European and Asian birds, the H1N1 strain that caused the 2009 pandemic, and a North American H1N1 that has genes from avian, human, and pig influenza viruses.
The G4 variant is especially concerning because its core is an avian influenza virus—to which humans have no immunity—with bits of mammalian strains mixed in. “From the data presented, it appears that this is a swine influenza virus that is poised to emerge in humans,” says Edward Holmes, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Sydney who studies pathogens.

China rarely uses influenza vaccines in swine. Nelson says U.S. farms commonly do, but the vaccine has little effect because it’s often outdated and doesn’t match circulating strains.

Influenza viruses frequently jump from pigs to humans, but most do not then transmit between humans. Two cases of G4 infections of humans have been documented and both were dead-end infections that did not transmit to other people. “The likelihood that this particular variant is going to cause a pandemic is low,” says Martha Nelson, an evolutionary biologist at the U.S. National Institutes of Health’s Fogarty International Center who studies pig influenza viruses in the United States and their spread to humans. But Nelson notes that no one knew about the pandemic H1N1 strain, which jumped from pigs to people, until the first human cases surfaced in 2009. “Influenza can surprise us,” Nelson says.

Note the section above where Nelson is quoted as saying no one knew? They have all known for 102 years.

No doubt a bad bug is going around, its with us to stay if you research it. What will it be called next? How long will it peak, how many will it kill? No question its real but is it really novel? Not really based on history. I just hope they get the dates to match and get it straight if its the birds or porky's bug. The flip flopping makes credibility questionable.
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