[greglepore]

Its most modern cars that turn me off, actually. Drove a top tier ls450. Wonderful power, super luxurious, but so much "stuff" going on with adjustable modes of power, trans ,suspension, infotainment and driver "aids" that driving the thing left me feeling like it was in charge. Might as well have driven itself. Unfortunately, most cars are like that now. Old man yells at cloud.

Oh yeah, you need the darned aids, the sighlines are awful.