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Originally Posted by sugarwood

Car guys say the oddest things.
I've never understood posts like this.

Why do analog car guys think no power steering is such a macho thing to brag about?
Does power steering really make any difference on a track?
On a track, you're giving subtle and small inputs.
Power steering or not is a non-issue.
Power steering only matters when trying to make a U-turn.
If you want to brag, then brag about making a U-turn without power steering.

power steering or no power steering absolutely makes a difference in how a car drives and the feed back that you get from it when it is pushed. Maybe you or whoever wrote this hasn't driven the right car to notice the difference.

Does ABS really matter on a track?
I've never locked up my brakes on a track.
ABS only matters when slamming the brakes in the rain or snow.
Are you tracking your car in the rain and snow?
Why do analog car guys think no ABS is such a macho thing to brag about?

Really? Maybe you aren't braking hard enough.

Tire pressure monitors?
How do these help on a track?
Why do analog car guys think no tire warning is such a macho thing to brag about?
Everyone has a $20 tire gauge anyway.

TPMS is not a nanny and is potentially actually useful. Anyone bragging about the lack of TPMS is a bit odd IMO

Backup cameras?
Do these really make things easier on a track?
Do you use it while in a spin out?
Backup camera only matters in a very crowded parking lot.
If you want to brag, then brag about Whole Foods parking lot with kiddos everywhere without a backup camera.

Again, not a nanny, and not usually used, but in my car, at least, it could be turned on full time. I'm not sure how that would be better than using the mirrors. Has anyone ever actually bragged about not having a backup camera on the track? Or are you just mixing up "I like having a car that doesn't have all of the fancy new tech" with "I prefer to be on the track in a car with no nannies so I learn how to drive" which are two different things.

Traction control?
Are you really giving throttle while having no traction on dry pavement?
Traction control seems to be like ABS, most applicable to rain and snow driving.

Are you lumping stability control in with traction control (they are two different but overlapping things). Stability control is HUGE on the track. If you've never engaged it, then you're probably not trying hard enough (or just the most amazing driver in the history of driving).

What? The "driver" is just telling the computer where to take the driver?
How does that work? Is the car voice controlled like Alexa?
Last time I checked, all cars still had steering wheels.
No one is taking level 5 autonomous cars to the track.
They don't even exist yet.

What are you talking about?