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Originally Posted by Ryan_Cunningham
I'm trying not to be a dick but the bottom line is you're hypothesizing about things you have absolutely zero experience in. What was that line in Goodwill Hunting? Something about reading about the Sistene Chappel?
Bottom line, how was the AI getting its information? Eyeballs? Or did it know the exact parameters that the human pilot was flying? I'd imagine the latter...
How do you think that compares to the actual pilot who was flying a garbage simulator using only his eyes for his information?
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How WAS the AI getting?? i don't know I didn't comment on the specific video ! I barely watched it.
My comment was on the future, on how they
WILLmake all the drones datalink up
And all their sensors combined
WILL work together in a hive mind.
Nobody has experience in that yet. But it's coming.
Tell me what is wrong with that statement ?? do you not think interlinked , hive mind drones as Air to Air will be much more capable then individual pilots working together to fight a dynamic fight?
1v1 might still be somewhat equal in equal air-frames , the video even shows it.. they ended up in similar circle fights as real pilots do (that's in short what i saw, i didn't watch all of it)
Identical planes with identical loadout.. both flown to the same edge of their flight characteristics.. if neither makes a mistake or runs out of fuel. they will go in circles forever
but it won't be the case for 2v2 , it will be 2² v 2
or 4²v4
or 16²v16
hell, they might even interlink with the missiles they shoot and use those sensors as well.
The drones with hive mind will beat the humans every time. No contest
Compare a 2v2 with human pilots.. and they'll usually split off in a dual1v1..
The first winner can then help his lead or wingman..
a drone 2v2 humans..
The AI will be constantly aware of all aspects of both enemies.. and can at all times use both drones to maybe even switch from one fight to the other
Humans might pull that off in a 2v2..if both pilots have a very good training together and communicate better then their human opponents. It's been done.
but not in a 4v4 and defo not with more then that... our mind cannot multitask like that. human 4v4 outcome will always be less predictable
We cannot process such a dynamic battlefield SA to the degree a drone can
We cannot communicate efficient enough
Nor can we predict all the variables and pick an overall strategy for all combined (which will included deciding a sacrifice of individual components, drones have no ego or fear of dying)
or adjust the tactics fast enough to the ever changing dynamics as the many vs many fight evolves.
At best as an example we have the NVA circle defence, but that's not a very dynamic fight.. and it's been obsoleted by Missile tech
Add to that that drones will be much less G limited due to being smaller, compact, lighter.. no pilots or life support ...
and they will be unbeatable in Air to Air to humans. It will take drones to take out drones.
Combining the drones makes em more effective to the nth force.
Humans working together can never achieve such efficiency.. the more humans you put together, the less effective and flexible they are at combining their efforts.
The more you combine, the less their individual qualities can be applied.
I'm sure you'll agree ? I don't need to be a fighter pilot to realize that.
Just look at the initial Arc Light B52 missions.. how they ran into trouble just getting all those bombers refueled at the same time..
They lost 2 B52s on the first mission..
They didn't have the flexibility because of the large numbers they all had to work within the limitations of the plan
The Bombers had to be at the right place at the right time, the tankers had to be on the right place at the right time
One group was ahead of schedule .. and had to do a 360 and ended up hitting another b52 at 180 degrees..
(avoidable if SAC hadn't used parallel refueling tracks at 25 miles, which is exactly the turning radius of a B52 loaded up with iron bombs)
In any case, grouping humans makes us less flexible/dynamic/effective (and generally lowers the average IQ quite a bit below the combined individual IQ average)
For drones interlinked, hive mind, it's the opposite
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Originally Posted by greglepore
Nice post. Sim guys talking about that about which they know little. The principles are fine, sorta like braking an F1 car. The reality....well sheet.
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I'm not even a SIM guy..I'm an IT guy, I'm not commenting on whatever there is in Sims today, or that video of the drones simulating 1v1
As i mentioned I occasionally play DCS, but i'm far from a fanatic.. I spend waaaay more time reading then I playing DCS
This is not about sims.. it's about AI.
'm talking about the future, how drones will operate.. how they will learn, how they can work together more efficiently in groups then humans can...