[stomachmonkey]

Drove in snow for decades back east.

We would be in Vermont every weekend.

Yes i know 4W does not help with stopping.

On ice nothing helps.

These are not clear roads.

Traction from one side of a lane to the other is not consistent and there’s a fair amount of slush.

The passes I need to get through going back to Denver are mandatory AWD / 4WD or chains. FW and RWD are not even allowed on them in these conditions.

Vail Pass is just north of 10,500 ft. with 7 miles of twisty 8 degree grade on each side.

It’s not pleasant in the best of conditions.