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Originally Posted by 450knotOffice View Post
Currently there is no aircraft in the world that can maneuver similarly to an F-22. That’s not my opinion. It’s a fact.

By the way, as cool as the video is, this and every video I’ve seen of this aircraft does not do it justice. At all. To appreciate its capabilities, one must see it perform in person. It’s mind blowing.

And it has more than enough thrust to gain or maintain speed during the most extreme high G maneuvers, and is quite capable of accelerating in a vertical climb from the runway. I hope people aren’t judging it’s climb capability based on the vertical climb to a stop, then tail slide down back down. That’s a choreographed show maneuver.

I know a guy who flew F-15’s who flew formation on a pair of F-22’s during a training exercise. He told me that the performance of those two F-22’s just made his and his partners F-15’s look old, slow, and underpowered. Just an anecdotal story told to me while we were in cruise flight from somewhere to somewhere else.
Yes, the F22 is the most capable fighter that we know of. According to the test pilot that flew both the YF22 and YF23 said the YF23 had enough authority with the tail alone to do what the YF22 need thrust vectoring for while still having full thrust available for acceleration. The Typhoon pilots know when in close dogfighting with the F22 that if the Raptor does not make the shot with thrust vectoring, the F22 will lose. Just what I know from pilots that fly them and against them.

Some versions of the Flanker have 3D vectored thrust and can do an impressive show as well.

F22 v F15, the F22 wins as easy as a pro Muay Thai fighter against a drunken one legged blind man and the F15 still has a perfect record in the real world so there is no doubt about the capability.
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