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Originally Posted by berettafan
Tobra i'm saying if these rules are so inviolable then where has the uproar been over all the gun play in movies to date. Multiple rules broken non stop since the beginning of the industry. And we've been told right in this thread by guys who work directly with the industry that this simply isn't how it works.
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Again, none of us had any reason to be aware of how guns are handled in this industry. This is the incident that brought it to light for many (most? all?) of us.
Myself, I always assumed that each and every firearm seen in a movie was a non-functional prop gun, or had been otherwise disabled prior to use in a movie. I would have never guessed that they use real, fully functional firearms. Now, having been made aware that they actually do (by this incident), I would have assumed that they follow all accepted gun safety protocols when they do.
I was obviously wrong on both counts. Now that I
have been made aware of these two facts - that they
do use fully functional firearms, and that they
do not follow accepted gun safety protocols, you are seeing my "uproar". As much of one as I can generate on a car forum, anyway. And I think you are seeing others chiming in with me, others who had no idea either. All of us who actually handle firearms as a regular part of our lives are somewhat shocked to have learned these two truths, and we have loudly expressed both our shock, and our disapproval.
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Originally Posted by berettafan
The rules being insisted on here simply do not work in a film setting and we all know they don't work. And until now we've been fine with that.
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It's obvious
their rules didn't work. And, now that we know what those rules are,
no one is "fine with that". We have been quite vocal about the obvious need to drop their own contrived, ineffective rules and adopt those rules that have been generally accepted in the shooting sports. Because, yes, it's equally obvious, to those of us who have spent a good deal of time around firearms, that
our rules work.
To Hughs'e point, I believe there is a profound difference between performing a simple safety check and "fiddling" with a gun. They are simply not the same thing. The former could save a life (would have in this case), the latter could cost a life. The former is expected at my gun club, the latter is very much frowned upon. And, well, if we are dealing with folks who do not understand the difference between competent, safe gun handling and fiddling around with a gun, perhaps we should not be handing them firearms. At least not real ones.
Sorry, guys, that I'm being such an unyielding hard ass about all of this. You have all known me long enough to know that the shooting sports are a large part of my life. It pains me to see this sort of thing, with innocent people getting hurt or killed, in my view, quite needlessly. "Our" rules are in place for a reason, they work, and would almost certainly have prevented this incident. All Mr. Baldwin had to do was check the gun. That is all he had to do...