Well I sent both defective units back and so far one seller gave me a full refund and the other just refunded the item but not the shipping.
In the meantime I now have 3 working units and another 2 on the way.
They are all different models.
I'm taking a pause on buying any more until I figure out what I want to keep.
Here's the last one that arrived.....
And the one before it....the Mark XXIII, which is REALLY nice!