This thread is in reference to this auction (link below) on Bring a Trailer, as I feel the need to correct the fiction being pushed by this seller.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-porsche-930-turbo-s-a-real-one/
What he is stating is wrong, Porsche did not make only 10 1989 911 Turbo S’ during this model year. I have attached below the production numbers for all to see, something the seller will not do because it will confirm the BS he is pushing in this auction. As you can see from these numbers on page 3, that 55 left hand drive coupes were built, and they were all classified exactly the same way - “1989 1911 Turbo S-WLS Coupé”. It even goes further to break down what countries they went to:
Germany: 42
France: 10 (these are the 10 Sonautos, of which this car is one of them)
Italy: 1
Belgium: 1
Arab States of the Gulf: 1
ALL 55 of these cars got the same model designation from Porsche, as there is literally no differentiating factors at all between the Sonauto 10 and the other 45. If there were then it would be obvious to see in the production data. We would all be able to easily see that these 10 are the only 10 911 Turbo S’ if that were the case, but it is clearly not the case.
Here are some of his quotes with absolutely nothing in terms of actual proof to back them up…
Bill states: “Today only eight are known to still exist. One was completely destroyed and another stolen and never recovered.”
While this isn’t a critical point, it is still a bizarre claim to make when it would be hard to not only learn of this, but even harder to prove it. Obviously 1 of 55 was nowhere near rare enough for him, but 1 of 10 wasn’t even rare enough either. Most of us know that one of these was stolen, but how does he know it was never recovered? How does he know that another one was ‘completely destroyed’? Where is this proof? 1 of 55,
read not high enough hammer price for him. 1 of 10,
read he still wants more money. Hmm…
Bill states: “I have had several other WLS cars that we too thought were Turbo S models but it was pointed out by Porsche that just these ten carried the name ‘Turbo S’.”
If Porsche pointed this out to you, which is in contrast to their very own production data, then why not share it with everyone? That would lend credence to this outlandish claim. Hmm…
Bill states: “I will post photos in the morning of some of the ‘mistakes’ we made over the year also misidentifying WLS models as Turbo S models.”
I’m not sure what photos he’s referring to, as the only images posted the next day were for the paint meter readings. He has definitely made some ‘mistakes’ over the years, which is a very clever way of phrasing deception. Here’s another auction (link below) from a few years back that I tried setting him straight on, and yet he never once addressed all of the issues I raised. The car was not a 911 Turbo S, and yet it was auctioned off as one. All he did was deflect and ignore until the auction ended, never once addressing and/or correcting his false claims.
https://www.pcarmarket.com/auction/1989-porsche-930-turbo-s/
Bill states: “I too made similar misconceptions but was very much scolded and corrected by the individuals who built the cars and provided so much incredible documentation on them to help us in the preparation for the auction of this Porsche.”
This is quite comical, he was apparently ‘scolded’ by someone at Porsche because he erroneously thought it was far less rare than it actually is. How convenient is that? Rhetorical. Where is this ‘incredible documentation’ that validates these claims? If it actually exists he hasn’t shared it with the rest of us yet.
With this thread I am merely trying to set the record straight on these production numbers, a record that he is actively trying to deceive the bidders on. Had he just thanked me for pointing out the clarification made in my first and only post that can still be read, then none of this would’ve been necessary. Instead of doing that, however, he has conspired with BaT to censor me from the auction so that he can continue pushing his propaganda, which is obviously meant to induce a higher final bid than may otherwise would have hammered for. The last time I checked that was literally the definition of fraud. This is a super rare car, and I am not slighting the car in the least. It is one of the most desirable variants during the entire 930 generation, and will command top dollar. But the seller is trying to induce an even higher sales price with all of his embellishments than it might otherwise would receive standing on its own merits, because of course a 1 of 8 will command more money than a 1 of 55.
