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Originally Posted by jyl View Post
Here’s what I think happened.

There are up and down arrow symbols on the touchscreen, to cycle through the cooking modes - broil, roast, convection roast, bake, etc. As you cycle through, the “box” symbol that represents the oven displays additional symbols that show what mode you’re in. A line inside the upper part of the box means broil, a fan in the box means convection, two lines means something else, etc. There are NO WORDS showing the cooking modes, it is all abstract symbology.

One of those symbols is a “P” that appears outside the box. That means “self-cleaning”. But there’s no way to know it means self-cleaning, unless you read page 30 of the manual. The earlier pages that show the cooking mode symbols don’t mention “P”, the diagram of the controls and display doesn’t mention “P”, the troubleshooting takes at the back of the manual don’t mention “P”, the only place where you’ll learn that “P” means self-cleaning is on page 30.

Suppose you are cycling through the cooking modes, and are puzzled about what a symbol means, or get distracted trying to set the temperature, or your attention is pulled away by something else going on in the kitchen. And suppose the mode display happens to be displaying “P” when you get distracted. And suppose your distraction lasts for six seconds.

Well you’re now TOTALLY effed, because self-cleaning starts automatically if the “P” symbol has been displayed for FIVE seconds.

At six seconds, the oven door locks, temperature starts climbing to 500F, which it’ll hold for two hours. There is no step where you confirm you want self-cleaning to start, assuming you even know “P” means self-cleaning. And no way to stop or cancel self-cleaning or open the door to retrieve whatever is inside.

Short of finding the electrical panel and switching off the circuit the oven is on, then waiting for the oven to decide it’s cool enough to unlock the door, your ignorance of the “P” symbol and your six seconds of waylaid attention have totally effed your meal. Maybe worse - running self-clean with two whole chickens in the oven has got to be a bad thing, to fill your house with smoke at minimum.

There’s other weird stuff. After you switch the circuit back on, you can’t use the oven. The controls will be unresponsive until you set the clock - the time touch control is responsive, you have to touch that then hold “-“ until the time display increments from 12:00 down to 5:34. No, you can’t increment up with the “+” button. That’s in page 12 or something like that of the manual. But that’s just irritating and mildly stupid.
That's a seriously fubar stove. I'm sure it's a fine stove, but as soon as you said "Haier" my brain thought "there's the problem."
I think they are a huge brand out of China and have bought some previously high end brands. I know that not everything out of China is bad, but the whole "cheap copy/rip-off" think is so pervasive, that it is automatically where my mind goes. Then you've got the various other issues, corruption, lack of standards for safety (or they exist but aren't followed), IP theft, civil rights violations, etc...
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