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Originally Posted by wilnj
If by civil you’re capturing all construction trades, you’d be right but to file for a permit, all drawings need to be signed and sealed including civil (site work), structural, mechanical (plumbing/hvac/fire protection) and electrical.
The way I define it, is an engineer is a problem solver applying science and or technology. There are many people with a formal education who are not engineers and many without a formal education who are.
There was a time when someone could sit for the PE without a degree but who had a CV demonstrating his experience working under a licensed engineer. I doubt that’s the case anymore.
I’ve dealt with this elitism firsthand. At a kickoff meeting, I introduced myself as the project engineer and the d****bag of an Architect asked what portion of the project I had designed. I replied that my job was to catch his mistakes before they cost our mutual client money.
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this is the problem with only defining PE's as engineers, as eric951 was attempting to do.
the reality is that PEs are not the only engineers around. my experience with PEs in civil/evro businesses, is that companies usually only have a couple, and they have tons of engineers that actually do the engineering, and they they have the PE stamp it. so the PE is actually doing the least of the engineering anyway.
meanwhile, there are entire industries that we touch every single day that no PE ever touched anything coming out of them. one wouldnt argue that medical devices have no engineers working on them, and yet, they rarely if ever have a PE touch them.