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I drove the RWB yesterday. I was prepared for the heavy wheels/tires to ruin the character of the 911. They did not. Acceleration/Deceleration felt the exact same. Turn-in isn't quite as snappy, but is still better than a modern car and extremely sure-footed. The car felt planted and did not rub. Not a lot of Porsches out there running fitment like an RWB with no rubbing. Overall, I was impressed when I expected a letdown. (I was actually hoping for a letdown to help guide my next moves with my own car.)

Originally Posted by YellowBee69

I agree 100%, Clearly by the state of mine I'm no purist. But I see "art" in all of them no matter if they're bone stock or completely chopped up and modified. I just don't quite understand the complete hatred for RWBs. It's a lot more than a saw and some caulk.. people who have watched know this. The guy spends hours adjusting the suspension and small things on the car to get the fitment and ride dialed in. It's not much different than adding SC flares. The only difference is you're paying someone to do it whose done it 100 times and frankly yes, the experience is pretty rad. RWBs make the stance and look of an old Porsche so aggressive and I love it.. I hate to burst bubbles too but several people do track the hell out of RWB cars. So the "but do they perform" argument is silly. And I'd assume 95% of the people who use that argument never see a track. Like you said, if all 911s looked and performed the same it would be pretty boring.

I was super skeptical of all the hype about how gifted Nakai is. Sure, anyone can lop off fendes with an air saw. No great gift there. But eyeing the fender height and alignment and THE ALIGNMENT OF THE WHEELS and getting it right is bananas. I've read tales right here on the Bird about folks taking days or weeks to get their fenders lined up just right and Nakai did it in moments. He set the toe (front and rear) by eye. We checked it yesterday and it's exactly what he said it was. That was pretty impressive.

Originally Posted by Joesmallwood

FWIW, my comments above are simply based on preference with no hatred implied. I appreciate the craftsmanship, the art, the creativity, etc, of the RWB, but it's just not something I gravitate to. Frankly, the LBDC has just as many modifications, artful touches, etc, as the RWB, but to my eye/taste, it's just a more appealing look/car. I've watched the development of the LBDC over the years and the challenges that went along with getting it to where it is - much admiration for it's development. Regarding RWB, I get it. I get the craftsmanship, I get the performance, I get the business aspect and marketing of it, and I get the appeal that many have toward that ecosystem and genre. I respect it, but I just don't like it. Similar to what someone said above, it just feels like a Hot Wheel, to me. This style is applied to a lot of different cars, e.g. Toyotas, Mazdas, MBs, BMWs, etc. I don't like any of them. I just lean toward cleaner lines and classier stances which I believe the LBDC has in hoards. Again, no disrespect for RWB or RWB fans. Like you have said, it we all liked/did the same thing, it would be completely boring. Where was RWB when Henry was pumping out black Model Ts?

I didn't take your comment as deriding or hateful. It does have a bit of a HotWheels aesthetic...but aside from internet clout, it serves a purpose. I do like a car built with purpose, regardless of whether the owner utilizes it or not.

Originally Posted by ryans65

you're right, to imply that it is simply a saw and some caulk would be completely disregarding the chair and cigarettes

I don't necessarily hate the RWB look I just think it's cartoonish and sort of a child's interpretation of a modified porsche.

This is the kind of 'down your nose' view of non-stock Porsches that gives some Porsche owners a bad name. This thread isn't for elitists eager to harshly judge someone else's hard work. Critiqueing or offering advice are one thing. Your last two posts are another. (which is a shame b/c I typically look forward to your input)

Originally Posted by YellowBee69

I wouldn't quite say "childish"... Maybe for a younger generation?? Cartoonish as far as exaggerating things maybe!! It certainly is extreme when it comes to wide body! They seem MUCH wider than my 11" RSR wide body..
Its not for everyone, I personally do think it adds unique styling to them. And even at that they are all different in their own ways which is cool.

We had an RSR clone here also. It's not as drasticly different as you'd expect. There are different variants of RWB...Street, Race, & Heavenly. This car is a street car and is subsequently just a little wider than a Turbo. The Heavenly cars are absurdly wide and it upsets the proportions of the car. But people like what they like.

Originally Posted by tk32

Before it became a bit of a fad ... did you all see videos of owners in Japan racing the sht out of their RWB creations? Probably at least 10 years ago now. That is some real deal not just parked at c&c or YouTube content heroes. To each their own, as they say.

Those were the days of early RWB cars; raw and a far cry from show queens of many of today's builds. Again, to each their own. Reminded me of 2.1 turbos, 2.8 RSRs, and 993 GT2RSRs, I'm ok with that. The roots of RWB and idlers is car enthusiasts gathering, cruising, and going racing with modified Porsches. Naiki San capitalized on his personal form of hot rods: chop, cut, glue, slam, drop in a hot motor and send it. Sounds like a recipe for fun to me and who wouldn't (capitalize on what customers want)? Thats how the world goes 'round

Now what is really lame IMO (yup, one more opinion coming right up): a RWB going to c&c with a stock motor out back, now thats a hack job right there

There has totally been an evolution of RWB enthusiasts. But it's not that far removed from aircooled Porsche enthusiasts. How many builds here on Pelican are track-inspired and will NEVER see the track? If the roots of RWB are in racing, that's the same as IROC cars or RSRs or 934s or 73RS. So when people build tributes of those acclaimed racers, they're lauded...even if they have stock 2.7s or 3.0s. But build a tribute of a Japanese racecar and people lose their minds. The dichotomy would be hilarious if it weren't so disappointing.

Originally Posted by lateapex911

Cool color on that car, love it. Bet it looks good in the golden hour.

OK, don't laugh at me...I'm more of a Luft guy than a RWB guy I guess...what are idlers??

It's PTS Black Olive. It's a brilliant color.
Idlers is an event in Japan. An endurance race that Nakai races and I believe where RWB first drew attention.


Have a great weekend, everyone. I have a lot of work to do and only a couple weekends to do it. So if you have my phone number, send me a text reminding me to get to work before the LBDC misses the entire summer.