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Originally Posted by jcommin
Union labor got bashed in the private sector. Lazy, overpaid, pensions, benefits, political party affiliation. This is a big reason automotive moved to southern states. And most supported it. Everyone complained about it. It got to the level of 6%.
However, labor rates across the country somewhat equalized which prompted companies to continue looking for cheaper labor offshore.
My comments thru op is I never experience the good ol days. Business is global, technology is shared, or copied - this is the world we live in. We moved from the original agriculture country to a world of manufacturing during the industrial revolution and in the 70s to a service economy. And it is going to change again with AI.
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dunno if you've seen the news, but UAW keeps on winning, more plants, more people, and even non-union plants are seeing big wage and conditions improvement to prevent unionization.
i've always herd the horror stories about unions, but ive never seen any of it, and i work with unions occationally. makes me skeptical of any of these stories, esp since they always seem to have been started by non-workers ... when i have had bad interactions with a union, its always because the company is trying to take advantage, and the union is correctly pointing out their error. thats not on me, thats on the company. if you've had bad interactions with union people, dont blame the union, blame the company for having created the union by treating its people badly, and continuing to try to do that. the union exists as a response to bad management.
there is also the macro data, showing pretty conclusively the death of middle class was right when laws started crippling unions .... and conversely data showing hte middle class doing better when there is higher union membership.
its pretty obvious that supporting unions and union popularity improves outcomes for the middle class, and thus is part of supporting labor, as opposed to capital. like this isnt a mystery or a topic of debate, we did it, we have the data, we know what happens.