[JavaBrewer]

So as a SoCal native I have heard so much about the ToD but will never ride it. Possibly not a great road anymore due to the publicity? Here in San Diego I can vouch for the East county roads. Too many to even detail other than a regular ride we do. Highland Valley road, old Julian highway, Mesa Grande, up and over Palomar mountain, and final high speed turns into the valley coming back to Escondido. A half day riding with a couple stops somewhere around 80 miles.

North is of course loaded with twists on mountain roads, perhaps the most recognizable is Angeles Crest. But there is also Big Bear area but both can be slowed with traffic…but also offer many passing opportunities.