[herr_oberst]

"Old people sitting in lawn chairs on the lawn watching the grandkids polish the lugnuts on the 'Cuda"

"Young people sitting behind a laptop matching the boost to the timing, never lifting the hood on the GTR"

I see both, but there's also a vast middle ground. Car Culture in Portland is alive and well, (muscle and tuner and turnkey), and if that's true for Portland, I'm pretty sure it's the same in Northeast Ohio or Santa Cruz or Lubbock, Texas.

Muscle isn't dead, but it has evolved, and it can be an expensive hobby. Lkewise, tuners aren't killing the notion of shadetrees on Saturday afternoon; they just have different ideas and modern tools but they're working with what they have to see what happens when you tweak the stock parts.

Most of us on this board are just a bunch of old guys talkin' bout the good ol' days, myself included. But these are the good ol' days for tons of people younger than us that are out having fun with cars.