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Originally Posted by jhynesrockmtn

This ^

My F150 has a bunch of features like built in nav, their handsfree "bluecruise", enhanced security that are extra monthly/annual fees. The endless emails to sign up are enough to make me want to park the thing in their lot on fire.

Yep. I don't see any point in paying for "nav" in a car as long as you've got a smart phone. It's surprising to me that nav is still offered these days when the big players are likely always better.
No way in hell am I paying a subscription for something in a car. I bought the car. It's a one time expenditure from that point of view (other than yearly taxes/fees to the gov, insurance, and maintenance).
It's only a matter of time before they start wanting to charge ongoing fees for crap in your home. "Oh, you want hot water..."

Originally Posted by unclebilly

^^^ 100%

In November the online services for my 24 tundra will no longer be ‘free’. They are mostly 5hitty but some stuff is good.

I am to the point that I hate this 5hit. I’m going to get my 53 Merc pickup running with either the crown vic engine I have or an LS and avoid this ‘connected garbage’. I think that Tindra will be my last modern vehicle.

Hell yeah! We'll all be running around in '85 El Caminos!

Originally Posted by unclebilly

I wonder how long before someone figures out how to hack these features… pay for a ‘chip’ once.

It's probably not that hard in the grand scheme of hacking. The harder part will be to block the "phone home" aspect. Because once you hack the car, if it phones home once a week or day or whatever, they'll know "this one was hacked". It'll then be "we disabled your car because you hacked it" or "knock, knock, knock, hello, this is the sheriff's dept, we have a warrant for the arrest of "