THEY WORK!! I have fixed my brakes at last have to admit though it was a bit of user error, it turns out that when I had the calipers off to clean and paint them I got them mixed up and accidently put them back onto the wrong sides of the car Doh! so after 2 days of trying to bleed them I have sorted it in under 2 hours!!. Thanx for all the input from everyone but look as if it's a roll over as there was no winner this time we will just have wait and see what I f@#k up next and see if anyone can guess it right!!.