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This is the definative post on this thread. I can't spell, punctuate or correctly use grammer. I could make a joke and say it's because I have bin done educated in CA. I can look a word up and five minutes later have to look it up again. With the other two I am just lazy. Also many times I purposefully use the venicular form of the language to convey an idea. That said I will move on to the education system.

I have to agree with the Z man for the most part. Parents don't spend enough time with the children, use schools as babysitters etc. I think most parents believe that the school system is educating their kids...as in Johnny did you do all your homework, Yeah Ma. What they don't question is how much homework Johnny is getting to do at home. Is it 1/2 an hours worth or 3 hours worth (assuming quality work is involved).

Now here is what the discussion has FAILED to address. The role the administration plays in the educational systems failure. I believe that after 5 years or so Teachers just get butrned out on having to fight both the parent and the administraion.

The State Administration in all it's wisedom sets certain parameters on how and what you teach childeren. Then you have the districts and the money issue. They get so much money for attendence. They put pressure on the teachers to pass children along so that their statistics look good. The teachers have to be PC so parents don't complain to the administration, and not to appear to be a trouble maker in the district if they complain about the system. AND how many secratarys does a district really need?

Has anybody ever looked at the cr@p that they pass off in school textbooks? It sure doesn't seem like the history I remember.

I listened to two HS Math teachers talking ove lunch. They basically said that 90% of the kids in their Algebra 1 class were failing. That they basically had been passed on year after year without learning the basics. That it was going to hit the fan in a year or two when none of these kids are going to be able, not only to pass a required HS course, but pass the HS proficiency exam. That basically the administration was deaf dumb and blind to the problem. Now thats just an isolated example but I think it illustrates the point.