[techweenie]

Lynn: "I was just trying to make the point, badly it appears, that trying to change opinions by shouting at each other and trying to think of more and more clever names to call each other is an exercise in futility. At least, that's all I've seen happen."

Okay, but please look at this thread. Mul has made -- I think --quite reasonable posts, and I have attempted to do the same. A respectful thread without shouting or name calling? It had to happen.

Now whether a mind can be changed is arguable, but we're playing nice here and I think that's to be applauded.