[juanbenae]

another thing my pops has done is gotten all the info, like it appears you have. then he plays different dealer against one another. he even went over 200 miles away for the purchase of a vehicle that he found a dealer on line would "meet" HIS price. they gotta make something, but let them know you realize how much they are going to make and go from there.

economic reports that car sales are at the lowest point in 6 years. use that in your favor. also look at other brands to show that the toyota has "not changed much in a few years,, while brand X has done this and that"