[thamlin000]

Wow, thanks for all the advise! I'm going print this thread out and study it closely.

I considered pre-owned, but I really want to choose all my options and want the full new-car warranty w/out spending extra on ext. warranties.

Here's what I've learned so far:
-Type up everything (options/colors) that I want and include a reasonable price near invoice.
-spend as little time as possible with the salesman
-won't tell them about my credit union car-loan until the price is agreed on
-walk if necessary