[Moneyguy1]

It is nice the Iraqi team is there.

At what price? I would rather see the 940 American young folks home living and breathing than an Iraqi soccer team in Athens. And don't be so disingenuous to say "If Kerry were prez..this or that would or wouldn't happen..." Pure conjecture on your part and totally unprovable. You simply do not know. Be big enough to admit that.

Look, Kerry may not be a perfect person. I lived during the Vietnam war, was lucky enough to be out of the service and not go, out before the "big buildup". If Kerry was guilty of "helping lose the war", then also was Kronkite. You Know what Lyndon said when Walter started doubting the war?

"If we've lost Kronkite, we've lost America" (meaning public opinion)

(Yeah, yeah...call Walter a "liberal"......therefore a traitor...I can see it coming....) Considered the most TRUSTED journalist of his era.

There were MANY voices against the war. Many silenced and in the ground.

Taken in historical retrospective, it was a civil war, and we took sides. The paranoia of the "domino principle". And how many young Americans never came home all in a cause that was lost before it began?

It is easy to say today that it was not our fight; it was damn hard initially for anyone to say it back then. The jingoism was, at first, just like today, waving the flag and wrapping ourselves in it, trying to convince ourselves we were doing the right thing but in reality in the wrong way, and in retrospect, for the wrong reasons. I wonder how the ghosts of 100,000+ dead viewed the day we "normalized" relations with Vietnam?

Sometimes I think you guys get it and then I see you don't. Find yourselves some grunts from 'Nam. Ask THEM what they thought of it. Betcha don't get many glowing reports on the nobleness of the cause. You never saw the pictures of burning villages? Photo of the year of a handcuffed man being executed with a pistol? War crimes? Ask the civilian dead. Every night on CBS...Body counts. We turned off the news; our kids were too small to see that.

Go to the library. Get copies of "Life" magazine from the era. You might learn something.

You get me going with your ignorance of the era and what it did to our society: wounds that are still there and will be until each and every person who lived through it ARE DEAD.

Hopeless.....No solution to the divisive attitude, and history repeats itself over and over and over. The real "war lovers" are the ones that don't have to see it up close and personal.