[Mule]

Lubemaster said:
"These people hate us for what we represent but also because of what we have and what we believe and lastly what they believe."

I hate to break it to you Lube, but they hate us because of what THEY believe, period. What we have, AUR & kuwait are hugely wealthy. They dont hate them. India is Hindu & they hate them.

Then he said:
"Lets face facts - most all extraordinary things are achieved by one for four reasons: greed, guilt, ego or luck."

If you consider 9/11 "extraordinary" then it fits into none. Bin laden was motivated by his belief in the koran & haddiths. These books tell him that the world bisected into two realms, the house of islam & the house of war. They also command him to "kill the infidel wherever you find him" and promise great rewards.

Then he said:
"Not all hate us - just the far religious right who are well eduacated but desire a much greater calling. These terrorists are not stupid sheep, but rather intellegent fundamentalists who feel that the US is jeopordizing their theology."

If thats true then why do they hill hundreds in Bali, Africa, Israel , India and Europe. They do it because their religion commands them to. This is not new or restricted to a small minority. A small minority may commit the acts, but the rest of them know what the books say too. That's why you rarely ever see any concern by "moderate" muslims about these heinous acts.

To be a believing muslim you must believe in the koran & haddiths. Your analogy about the nazis is flawed. To say that only 15% of the population were nazis & the rest tried to deal with it as best they could is fine. A more accurate comparison would be to compare all the nazis to all the muslims. Now I'm sure there were some nazis who were not inherently evil & signed up for whatever expedient reason, I'm sure the same is true in islam. But every one of them that signed up knew what the deal was going in, just like the nazis.