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Originally posted by Shaun 84 Targa
Just how lame is God anyway? He creates us, we ****-up pretty much the next day, time goes by, drowns everything on the planet 'cept a couple of nice folks, well, they turn out evil too, so what's his solution?
Send himself in the guise of his son to die, even though he can't die, and that's supposed to make everything OK?
So God is such a moron that he has to die for things he created so they can live it up after they die?
What's the message here?
So basically the meaning of life is to kill your god?
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Shaun,
you're dead-on correct. Logically, your argument is pretty darned sound. It's really exciting for me to see intelligent rational people discussing religion.
Unfortunately, it hurts to see people who are more than capable of understanding the coherency of the Christian position toss it out because of some fundamental misunderstandings.
1 - We sinned because he gave us the freedom to do so. What sense would it make for God to create a bunch of robots who have no choice but to do the right thing? With free will, when we do the right thing, it carries meaning.
2 - God knew he was going to send Jesus to die for the sins of all of humanity even before he created us. There was no surprise there, no damage control reaction. Once again, we have a choice -- God gave us the free will to choose to follow his son into fellowship with God, or not. The choice for God must always be an individual decision -- otherwise it is meaningless.
3 - Not in this post, but: "Look at all the people who have died in the name of Christ!" -- sure, but how many of the people who committed murder while claiming God was on their side could seriously back it up with scripture? This is what sets Christianity apart from other religions of similar age who have violence in their past -- the people who claimed Christianity as their excuse for violence couldn't back it up with anything Biblical. They were not acting in accordance with the fundamental principles of the Bible, so their actions were fallacious. Take for example, guys who commit a crime against humanity by putting V-8's into their Porkers. Ferdinand would never approve, but people call it a Porsche anyway, no?
My point is that you can call on the name of God, Buddha, Zoroaster, Dagon the Fish-God, or whoever else to justify your actions. At the end of the day, you're still responsible for your own actions, however, and the name of whichever arbitrary deity you've managed to sully isn't necessarily in agreement with whatever egregrious stuff you've done.
FWIW, we are in complete agreement on televangelists and people who's first (and only) post in a Porsche forum is something like this.
My closing question for you: If God drives a Porsche (which he must -- we hold this truth to be self-evident), what is it? A '65 911? A '51 356? A GT3RSR? Hmmm....
Dan